Draygomb

PB

Come on, we all know god wants us to use our free will to obey him or he'll fry us in Hell.

Draygomb

I posted this poll to demostrate the severe lack of Faith and Trust today's Theists have in Their Gods. And it did just that.

So all of you Atheists hang in there. We're winning.

ACOG

Actually, from a Judeo-Christian perspective, all you did was demonstrate the absurdity of your thoughts, and your ignorance concerning God.

Draygomb

Reeaally??? How So ?

Skeptical

As usual, a true believer fails to grasp the irony of their own position.

What you have failed to realize is that most of the things on that list were either advocated by the God of the OT, or, at the very least, not discouraged. There are plenty of tales in the OT where rape, torture and murder are commited at the behest of God.

If you believe that these things are wrong, it is inconsistent to take any kind of literal view of at least the OT (which puts into doubt the foundation of the NT). If you take this view, it is a slippery slope down to the idea that religion is just a matter of opinion, which puts you the tiniest of steps away from agnosticism.

To be consistent with your own position from a "Judeo-Christian perspective", you must admit that in principle, if God talked to you and told you to do these things you would have to do them. This is all plainly in the book (actually set of books) which you claim to follow from a "Judeo-Christian perspective".

I don't make the rules of logic, but I will call BS when I see them violated. If you claim to follow the "Judeo-Christian perspective", follow your own rules laid down by your God and don't simply avoid the moral tension they create for you.

If you don't like the rules created by your God, perhaps you should reconsider your position instead of ignoring the problem and hoping no one points out the inherent contradictions in your beliefs.

John Page

Cool! Did you consider an option that required certain behavior with choir boys? Oops, maybe god already gave that command.....

Daydreamer

Surrounding your enemy is, contrary to common sense, a VERY bad idea. When people are cornered they go suicidal-take-as-many-with-you-as-can, and you'll lose more troops than you would by doing a frontal assult and being forced to mop up those who run away.

Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ

I took the poll, and clicked rape/torture. But--I want to make this ABSOLUTELY CLEAR--ONLY THE TORTURE. NEVER EVER EVER rape. That's just plain wrong, and I can not find any justification for it period. None. Torture, yes. Rape as a means of torture, or just plain rape, hell no.

For the record of course. Even I have morals.

Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ

Also from the art of war:

If you put them in a deadly situation, they will fight.

If you outnumber them 10-1, you can probably afford the losses, and will be able to insure that they are wiped out. Also, you can give them a way out--surrender.

Of course, you could do the frontal assualt, with elements surrounding and concealed (considering the times, this was possible and probable)--thereby eliminating them as they flee. Mop and bucket. Which, if memory serves me, is what Zhuge Liang did on at least one occasion. Speaking of which, does anyone know where I could find his commentary of Sun Tzu's art of war? I want it for my collection. (Now THAT is off subject).

Draygomb

No Rape? Gee, For a Monster you're a real sweatheart.