lunachick

Hey, you know an alternative title for this thread could be, "Another racist blows issue out of proportion!"

Lestat de Lioncourt

Well now...if that wasn't a fine example of a rational, intelligent and mature response.

Lestat

Lestat de Lioncourt

Resorting to juvenile name-calling now are we

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Lestat

Lestat de Lioncourt

Yes...

Derec

You are seriously comparing riots in BH with the Revolutionary War?
I wonder what Jefferson would say about rioters that perpetrate acts of violence because a criminal from their community got himself killed while evading authorities.

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(which is a good thing, since he himself participated in a revolt against an unjust government). Now you're saying he didn't really mean it? Or maybe he only intended us to rebel in effigy?

United States is not a tyranny. Anybody can bring forth their grievances in a civilized and peaceful manner.
In this case there was no wrongdoing on the side of the police, the responsibility falls sqaurely on the fleeing biker.

UMoC

lunachick

LOL!

So, are you trying to tell me in some backhanded kind of way that YOUR arguments have all been rational, intelligent and mature?

Just out of interest; did you read the link I posted earlier in this thread, relating to the black arrests in Tulia, Texas?

Tell me, do you think no-evidence, racially-based arrests happen elsewhere in the US?

Do you think that kid may have been a victim of police harrassment and had any previous charges trumped up to make them worse than they really are? Maybe his experience with the law is not so unlike those people in Tulia? Of course I don't know for sure if that is the case or not. Neither do you. But it is a possibility, right? And maybe the whole community has been through this kind of ongoing and baseless criminal racial profiling, with racist cops, judges, juries and prosecutors adding pressure to the cooker. Maybe the kid got scared about being the target of that again. Just maybe, huh? And his death was perceived by his community to be the last straw - their frustrations at being constantly singled out for police persecution with no means of redress? Maybe? It sure as hell sounds feasible to me. And the pressure in that cooker got too much, and finally exploded. Just maybe, huh?

lunachick

Ahh, yes. Of course, for many that "peaceful and civilised manner" is about as effective as using alka-seltzer to treat stomach cancer.

So far, that method hasn't seen much effect in addressing the grievances of those wrongfully arrested in Tulia, Texas - many of whom are still sitting in jail for crimes they did not commit. Yes, civilised and peaceful - the core ethics of America.

Loren Pechtel

It has to do with why they blame whitey for the problems.

So long as we have people like Jesse Jackson telling them that all their problems are due to whitey they'll never see the problems are with themselves and fix them.

Loren Pechtel

Originally posted by Dr Rick
Here's a list of the things Mr Jackson not do to harm Blacks...

1) Citing good things he has accomplished doesn't mean he hasn't done a lot of bad, also.

"During the summer of 1964 over 3,000 students attended these schools and the experiment provided a model for future educational programs such as Head Start.

2) Note the year--1964! Yes, there were a lot of problems back then. AA was right back then.

"In 1981 the trial of Josephus Andersonan, an African American charged with the murder of a white policeman, took place in Mobile. At the end of the case the jury was unable to reach a verdict. This upset members of the local Ku Klux Klan who believed that the reason for this was that some members of the jury were African Americans. At a meeting held after the trial, Bennie Hays, the second-highest ranking official in the Klan in Alabama said: "If a black man can get away with killing a white man, we ought to be able to get away with killing a black man."

So? I've never said there weren't white racists around. There certainly are. I was simply comparing the harm done.

Yeah, what we need to make the world right is to stop coddling these blacks...

Yes, the world needs to quit coddling them.

You are citing examples of great wrongs done to them by KKKers and their ilk. Such things certainly should be punished. However, society at large is not doing evil to them anymore.

Loren Pechtel

Neither riot is ok.

Note, however, that the black one specifically targeted whites--it was a racial act. Black on white aggression is no better than white on black aggression.