Tristan Scott

Good post Ovazor, and I think you can add another breed of Holocaust deniers like FPY, who, like his or her hero Ulick holds Hitler on high ground because he was attempting to rid Europe of Bolshevism, another sinister invention of "International Jewry."

This is key, and also makes them require more vigilance than the other deniers. This is the same mindset that was at the root of early twentieth century attitudes towards the Jews in Europe. From Voltaire, through the likes of Fichte, Kant and finally Houston Chamberlain, the struggle between the Aryans and the Jews in Europe was seen by many of the power elite in Europe as a struggle for survival. It was much, much more than mere anti-semitism. Ulick Varange, or FPY, is simply the moniker that is now used for this mindset.

The SwampThing

There are many things that we can doubt of ever having happened. But unfortunally, the Holocaust is not one of them...
If one is to doubt the history books, this is one of the cases where it would prove pointless and irrational, given the massive amount of testimonies and documental proofs wich suport it.
It is just plainly ilogical, to overlook every piece of evidence gathered and even sites we can visit today, like Aushwitz and Treblinka.
One would expect that the so called "deniers" would choose an easier nut to crack! But no. They went and picked on the meanest kid on the block!!
Hell, why not doubting the Bible? Or the JFK assassination?
Even i have doubts about many things wich got written in history books like it was the honest truth!! Like Armstrong´s moon walk, or Pearl Harbour! These are events wich lack enough substantiated evidence, apart from the official explanations presented by obscure governments.
But to doubt the holocaust?? One has to be the master of skepticism, in order to not believe that!!! Or very delusional...
Maybe the numbers are inaccurate, or exagerated! But even if only half that number was true, it still qualifies as a catastrophic event, a genuine genocide if ever i´ve seen one!!
People don´t just fall off the Earth and disappear! Something happened to them, and you know what? Nazism, that´s what!
And the scary part is to see it happening all over again...
Anyone who has ever heard Hitler´s speeches and watched the movies of Germany in the mid 30s, will find a whole lot of similarities with what is happening in America today.
The rethoric, the hatread, the propaganda, and ultimately the war!
I shit you not! There is something brewing in the horizon, and it ain´t pretty!!
Just think about it, for a minute...

Vorkosigan

You must not be shopping at the right places. I used to see it all the time at book sales when I lived in DC.

In any case, the book is garbage.

Here are some fun parts. I'm sure many of you will fall over yourselves laughing.

Yockey, a Creationist, has a whole chapter in which he rejects evolution with the usual silly nonsense (book was written in 1948):

• "The species that we know today, and for past centuries, are all stable, and no case has ever been observed of a species "adapting" itself to change its anatomy or physiology, which "adaptation" then resulted in more "fitness" for the "struggle for existence," and was passed on by heredity, with the result of a new species."(p71)

Yockey doesn't even understand evolution as an idea. Here is the shallow thinking of a low-grade mind, displayed in black and white for all to see. Hell, his claim of "no observed adaptations" wasn't even true in his own time. But wait, there's more....the very next paragraph:

• "Darwinians cannot get over these facts by bring in great spaces of time, for paleontology has never discovered any intermediate types, but only distinct species." (p.71)

Wow! Now there's an original claim! And another gross misunderstanding of evolution....

The great Yockey on the history of Science:

• "The down-going of science as a mental discipline had long preceded the World War. ....the entrance of probabilities into formerly exact science is the sign that the observer is beginning to study himself, his form as conditioning the order and describability of phenomena.
  
  The next step was the Theory of Radioactivity, which again contains strong subjective elements and requires the Calculus of Probabilities to describe its results. The scientific picture of the world became ever more refined and ever more subjective...
  
  The very unit of physical happening itself, the "atom," which was still believed in as a reality by the 19th century, became in the 20th century a mere concept, the description of whose properties was constantly changed to meet and prop up technical developments. Formerly every experiment merely showed the "truth" of the ruling theories....
  
  No compunction was felt about having two theories, irreconcibable with one another, to describe the "structure" of the "atom" or the nature of light. The subject-matter of all the separate sciences could no longer be kept mathematically clear. Old concepts like mass, energy, electricity, heat, radiation, merged into one another, and it became ever more clear that what was really under study was human reason in its epistemological aspect, and the Western soul in its scientific aspect.
  
  Scientific theories reached the point where the signified nothing less than the complete collapse of science as a mental discipline."(p102-3, emphasis in original)

Yockey is not a particularly deep thinker, but he does like to complain, and thinks his inability to understand the science of his time must mean that it has gone astray. People who capitalize words to give them spurious depth are not the kind of thinkers who will ever conceive that they could be wrong.

I hope readers caught the word "soul" in there. Yes, it is true. Yockey thinks civilizations have "souls":

• "History is the record of the lives of eight High Cultures, each an organism, impressed with the principle of individuality, each thus a member of a Life-from.The type High Culture is a Life-form at the peak of the organic hierarchy of which plants, animals, and man are the lower members."(p38-9)

Yes, Yockey believes in the Great Chain of Being. Continuing on in this vein, Yockey writes:

• "The differences among the cultures are in their souls, their individualities, and thus, despite their similar structure, their creations are in the highest degree dissimilar. In the organic hierarchy, the principle of individuality is manifested at an increasing level of concentration from plants, through animals, to man. Cultures are even more highly individual than men, and their creations are correspondingly less capable of any inward assimilation by other cultures." (p39, emphasis in original)

He just makes lots of assertions, and to give things weight, uses Capital Letters and lots of italics as-well-as-hyphens. The reader might be impressed, if she turns off her critical thinking faculties.

Moving on, lets dredge up some more trash. Yockey on American history:

• "...This gave the Northern industrialist one more advantage over the humanitarian slave-owner. The industrialists' "cost of production" were cheaper."

Yes, the slave owners were humanitarians. They did the world a service murdering by the thousand so they could employ by the hundred. Yockey's economic thinking is quite primitive, as you can see, and while he had a dim grip on cost, he never understood the concept of productivity, and so never realized that northern factory workers, even though they cost more, were far more productive than slaves, and thus, far cheaper. His history of the Civil War is a hilarious farrago of nonsense, containing all the old myths: southerners were aristocrats and so their martial prowess was greater (actually, southern leadership was awful with the giant exception of the Army of Northern Virginia, and no southern leader had a grasp of grand strategy), the war was a contest between quality and quantity, the spirit of the South almost compensated for its material weakness, etc. He attributes England's non-declaration of war on the north to the attitude of Russia (the reality is that Union Diplomacy was more skillfully conducted than Southern, Britain was dependent on US wheat shipments, the North had many powerful friends in the upper classes, and the lower classes were staunchly pro-North), and makes a few minor errors in his description of the war, such as claiming that Southern commerce raiders were fitted out in English ports (actually, they were only built there and armed elsewhere, though from English merchant vessels).

He eventually sinks, as you all know, into racism and anti-Semitism. Commenting on British balance of power diplomacy, he spews:

• 'Even by 1914, this policy was quite stupid and old-fashioned, for the increase of Russian power had superseded it. Those who had looked beneath the thin veneer of Western Culture, by virtue of which alone Russia belonged to the Western State-system, and who had the discernment to asses rightly the snarling Asiatic nihilism under that tenuous crust...."(p487)

You know those Asiatics. Nihilist to the core....

And on the "Church-State-Nation-People-Race of the Jew," Our Philosopher says

• "One group, however, has brought about a major Culture-distortion throughout the entire Western Civilization and its colonies on every continent, and that is the rear-gaurd in the West of the fulfilled Arabian culture, the Church-State-Nation-People-Race of the Jew."(p418)

>Whew< Well, you knew that garbage was coming. Yockey explains Jewish history in the following penetrating analysis:

• "From the Arabian Culture, which was inwardly fulfilled by about 11000 AD, the Jew derived his world-outlook, his religion, State-form, Nation-idea, People-feeling, and unity. From the West he has derived his race and his Life-mission...as the Jew sense the wider possibilities for him of the new Life-phase of the West, he began to agitate against ghetto which he had created for himself."(p418)

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You didn't know that the Jew got his ideas from Islamic culture? You mean you thought that Judiasm had its roots in First and Second Temple religion and the whole of Jewish history prior to Medieval times? How could you believe such rot? And I'll bet you didn't know the Jews created the ghettoes, begged to be deprived of their civil rights, and demanded that pograms be held to destroy them. You see? If you only had Yockey's deep understanding of history and culture, you could dispense with the hopeless tripe put out by the scholarly disciplines.

>sigh<

And thence to the Negro problem:

• "Marriage is almost unknown among the Negroes, and the women raise large families. In the large cities, the Negro population supplies approximately ten times as many criminals as its numbers would indicate to be its proportion. Social diseases are general among this race, and the hospitals as well as the penitentiaries deal with highly disproportionate numbers of Negroes. Primitive violence is natural to the Negro, and the sense of social disgrace, is lacking in him in connection with crimes. Negro sections of northern cities are dangerous to white persons.
  
  Bolshevism and Culture-distortion [Vork: read "Jews"] did not miss the potentialities of the Negro for purposes of inner disintegration and race war.(p514)"

You can hardly help laughing out loud at this shallow racist tripe. There's plenty more, if you have the stomach:

• "Like all primitive races, the Negro race is fertile, and possessed of strong "instincts."(p514)"

Lawdy! Negroes like to have sex! They're so different from us! I'll bet Yockey was one of two men in history (the other being Scalia) who didn't masturbate....maybe that accounts for the thinking problems....

The problem, says Yockey, is that Negro hatred of whites is caused by Jews (Culture-distorters. See, if it wasn't for those culture-distorting Jews, the west could find its true destiny). Read on for this brillliant political analysis:

• "The Negro has suffered more than anyone in being thrown into the slavery of finance-exploitation, and then into conscription for the race-war program of the distorter. From the happy, deeply and primitively religious, cotton-picking slave [Vork: As Dave Barry would say, I'm not making this up], with the complete protection and insulation from the dynamism of Western Industrialism, he has been made into a malcontented, diseased, fighter in race-war and class-war."(p515)

There's plenty in that vein. Yockey then ends this mighty work with a recapitulation of the old beer-hall right-wing nationalism that Hitler rode to power. Arguing that only expansion and unity can save the millions of Europe, he says:

• "How can the liberated West solve this great task of saving one hundred million Western lives? There is only one solution, and it is the nearest one. The agricultural territory of Russia provides the means of preserving the population of the West, and the necessary base for world-dominion of this Civilization, which alone can save the West from the threat of annihilation by the outer forces. It is thus a military solution -- and there is no other."(p.616)

I kid you not. This is 1948, the world is still reeling from 50 million dead from the last war, and Yockey's "solution" is another war for the Ukraine. Like most shallow thinkers, Yockey did not understand the virtuous cycle of investment, technology, trade, and economic growth, and never imagined that Europe could more than triple its population yet have agricultural surpluses that would be a major headache. The man just didn't get anything.

So really, FPY, I don't see why I should take seriously a man who knows lots of facts but does not understand them, is clueless about basic historical issues, is a racist and an anti-Semite, thinks cultures have souls, thinks he is deep is he writes in Capital Letters, and advocates another world war to save the West. In sum, Mr. Yockey is a complete idiot.

Vorkosigan

-FPY-

Is it okay if I answer your post in a new thread on this subject?

Edit: I am typing a reply and will post it when I've finished it. That might take a few hours. I am assuming that it would be better to start a new thread in PD about Yockey. For all you holocaust fans, I might leave some sources by the end of today for your to peruse.

Monkeybot

Holocaust fans?

Blixy Sticks

I even have trading cards to prove it!!

Holy Shit!!!!!

Enai

That's nice, but do you also care to back up your assertion that "the numbers don't add up"? I want to know:
What numbers do you refer to?
What should they add up to?

If you don't I assume that you can't.
Enai

The SwampThing

I can´t say i had heard of this caracther Yockey before, but that small sample of his "work" posted by Vorkosigan has me stunned!
I have never heard such huge crock of shit in my life!
That bit about "humanitarian slave-owners" totally convinced me.
He is an utter idiot. Or was, whatever!!
I don´t think he makes many friends, with a speech like that...

And now, another reallly bad mistake:

Say what??? That´s one for the books!!
That was one unfortunate remark... The only holocaust fans i know were the nazis. It is not a pro-basketball team, there aren´t any cheerleaders screaming "Go, Holocaust, go!!"... Or are there??

Corona688

Not sure what you mean.. If you mean why they're still in existence, they've been left intact as monuments as to why we should never let such atrocities happen. They Do, and no amount of bleating will make it otherwise. Certainly, there weren't 6 million Jewish people to kill in Germany alone - they brought them in from all over the place.

Also, THANK YOU for responding to at least one or two sentences of my posts. I was beginning to think you were filtering out the evidence you didn't like.

Also a relevant quote from the site:

Vorkosigan

It would be better to start a new thread. It would be good if his views were aired out with many quotes, for all to see.

Vorkosigan