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DarkBronzePlant · 03-21-2002, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by WJ:
darkbronze,

With all due respect, since you had to answer his question with another question, this proves the point that Atheism is just another religion?

1. Religion is a method to objectify a belief in some supernatural Being.
2. An assertion about that same Being that the theist and atheist postulate is based on knowledge of Religious beliefs.
3.Therefore, religion is another ?

Walrus
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Atheism is just another Religion

Walrus,

No, it doesn't. Your assertions are getting more and more absurd.

DarkBronzePlant · 03-21-2002, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by Atticus_Finch:

While I find this all extremely interesting I am also trying to make a living and can not respond to everyone of them. If I am expected to respond to everyone of them I will cease and desist. WJ also responded to some of them and therefore I did not feel it was necessary to say "Me to." (FYI, while I appreciate WJ and his views, I do not agree with everything he/she has posted).

I should hope not. That WJ appears to be a fellow theist, at this point, seems only to damage your credibility...

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Second, I freely admit that my definition of "atheism" may not comport with other peoples. That is why I found it important to define the term early on. I had a rather simple purpose from the beginning.

Fair enough. There probably are more-to-the-point ways to do this, but I think I understand what you were getting at.

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I have found in my discussions with many atheists that they will not even accept that the existence of god is possible.

Just as you will find some atheists (like me) who enjoy singing/listening to religious music from the likes of Mozart, Brahams and Handel, and others who would find it repulsive. It still has nothing to do with what atheism means.

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...I asserted that is illogical to deny a possible cause when you can not positively assert what the actual cause is or that a cause is in fact not necessary.[/QB]

I'm afraid I have to whole-heartedly reject this assertion. In fact, it is such an assertion that bothers me so much about many religious points of view. One does not need to ascertain what caused X to happen in order to reject the notion that A caused X.

A simple, faux-courtroom example: Joe has been found shot in his own home. Bob is on trial, accused of murdering Joe. There are no other suspects. The defense does an outstanding job demonstrating that Bob was at his mother's house, all night, the night of the murder. The jury can very reasonably determine that Bob did not cause Joe's death, without having any idea of who actually did.

Edited to heed this bit of advice: "DBP: You might want to edit that last sentence" which makes my post a bit more to the point.

[ March 22, 2002: Message edited by: DarkBronzePlant ]

Darwin's Finch · 03-21-2002, 02:41 PM

DBP: You might want to edit that last sentence.

Hans · 03-21-2002, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by Atticus_Finch:
I have found in my discussions with many atheists that they will not even accept that the existence of god is possible. I find that there is no point in going on if you can not get past that point.

That statement certainly reaks of a lack of evidence. But I'm interested in your Arguments.

Not Prince Hamlet · 03-21-2002, 02:48 PM

Guys, he's trolled you.

Think about it. He posts an outrageous assertion, and you climb all over yourself to prove him wrong. Then he posts another outrageous assertion ("I'll prove God exists in my next post") and you climb all over yourselves to prove him wrong again.

Just forget about it. He's a troll.

Jeff

Samhain · 03-21-2002, 03:05 PM

The more I read the ridiculous assumptions and assertations that are made by AF, the more that I tend to agree with Not Prince Hamlet...Troll? Probably.

[ March 21, 2002: Message edited by: Samhain ]

Danya · 03-21-2002, 04:23 PM

Probably the same kind of proof you would require to believe in Zues or any other god before yours.

JamesKrieger · 03-21-2002, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by WJ:
Atheism is just another Religion

How is not believing in something a religion?

How is not believing in something a belief?

Since when is not collecting stamps a hobby?

Atheism is not a belief system or religion. It is the lack of one. The same goes with someone who doesn't collect stamps. This person lacks a hobby, they don't have a hobby of not collecting stamps.

MadMordigan · 03-21-2002, 06:29 PM

Since when is not collecting stamps a hobby?

I'm stealing this one.

Samhain · 03-21-2002, 06:32 PM

Heh, yea, I have to say, that one was really good.

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Not Prince Hamlet Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,309	Guys, he's trolled you. Think about it. He posts an outrageous assertion, and you climb all over yourself to prove him wrong. Then he posts another outrageous assertion ("I'll prove God exists in my next post") and you climb all over yourselves to prove him wrong again. Just forget about it. He's a troll. Jeff

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Danya Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: USA Posts: 638	Probably the same kind of proof you would require to believe in Zues or any other god before yours.

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