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Old 09-11-2002, 01:29 PM   #51
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Everything in that statement is fact.
"...a small tribe of IGNORANT BRONZE AGE GOAT HERDERS..."

Can you show me where this 'fact' came from? Not saying it is or isn't, just wanting to know your reasons for calling this a 'fact?'

If it is true, I'm wondering what the test was to determine they were ignorant?
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Old 09-11-2002, 01:39 PM   #52
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How so? Everything in that statement is fact. Are you offended by the truth?
Your TONE was offensive. I said I didnt agree with your statement, specifically that it is "unlikely that God bares any resemblance to the Christian God" or something along those lines.

I happen to disagree with that. And your tone was offensive.
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Old 09-11-2002, 02:13 PM   #53
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"...a small tribe of IGNORANT BRONZE AGE GOAT HERDERS..."

Can you show me where this 'fact' came from? Not saying it is or isn't, just wanting to know your reasons for calling this a 'fact?'

If it is true, I'm wondering what the test was to determine they were ignorant?</strong>
Well, let's disect it.

It is well established that the predominant lifestyle in ancient israel was pastoral. They herded, among other things, goats.

"GOAT HERDERS" - check

The Jewish religion originated in a time period which is referred to as the Bronze Age.

"BRONZE AGE" - check

The population, being pastoral in nature, was highly illiterate and uneducated compared to many of the civilizations of the time (think China, Egypt).

from Websters:

ig·no·rant Pronunciation Key (gnr-nt)
adj.

1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.


IGNORANT - check

put them all together and what do you have?

"IGNORANT BRONZE AGE GOAT HERDERS".

Any more questions?
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Old 09-11-2002, 02:13 PM   #54
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Yea....well Bite me. Thats all you need to say Kosh.
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Your TONE was offensive. I said I didnt agree with your statement, specifically that it is "unlikely that God bares any resemblance to the Christian God" or something along those lines.

I happen to disagree with that. And your tone was offensive.</strong>
And what TONE was it that you managed to read through a textual message?
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Old 09-11-2002, 02:22 PM   #56
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And what TONE was it that you managed to read through a textual message?
use of capitalization combined with use of selected words in a message that you KNOW I dont agree with. Unless you lack basic social skills, and/or have an IQ of 10, you should realize this. Or maybe you are just bitter with life since it has no meaning to you.
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Maybe it all boils down to whether or not there is a clear and agreed explanation of First Cause for an atheist - or is it still unexplained?
Many questions thought to be profound in days gone by, have later been realized to be the wrong question altogether, or found to be nonsensical in light of new insights.

In the days when people thought the Earth was at the center of the universe, it was a reasonable question to ask "What keeps the Sun and the Moon from falling down to the ground?" Nowadays, we realize that is a nonsensical question. It is the Earth and Moon that are falling towards the Sun, and the Sun is falling towards the center of the galaxy.

Likewise, the question of "first cause" is now seen as nonsensical in the light of quantum mechanics and the Big Bang. When the cosmos came into existence, it was already 10 to the -43 second old. There is no "going back farther in time" than that. The question of first cause has not been answered, rather it has been "unasked."
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The question of first cause has not been answered, rather it has been "unasked."
So are you saying nobody has tried to figure out what caused the Big Bang?
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<strong>Or maybe you are just bitter with life since it has no meaning to you.</strong>
Is that what you think about atheists?
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Old 09-11-2002, 02:46 PM   #60
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Is that what you think about atheists?
The comment was directed to you (not all atheists), and I used the word MAYBE. I am trying to discern why you would post such a sarcastic and hateful(imo) post, after what I consider to be 2 pages of generally cordial interactions.

Are you mad at something?
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