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Nickle · 10-10-2002, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by rbochnermd:


Of course, but does warm fornication explain fish that pedal styrofoam, even as red still forms blight with neither meaning but air-conditioning?

Rick

You mean cold fornication. Asking about warm fornication makes no sense. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Albion · 10-10-2002, 08:36 PM

No, in the absense of air-conditioning, it'd be warm fornication.

RufusAtticus · 10-11-2002, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by Bubba:
Rufus, there must be a fair number of Christians in your grad program. How do they reconcile evolution and Christianity?

Simple: Bible is not history.

sakrilege · 10-12-2002, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Albion:
I suppose that he's being consistent by making statements designed to stake out a position and then not engage in discussion.

<a href="http://www.iscid.org/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=recent_user_posts;u=00000007" target="_blank">Dembski's recent posts</a>

He is around & posting...

Lizard · 10-12-2002, 05:09 PM

ISCID is a BB for Dembski sycophants. Just recently, a thread was closed down because a participant asked if a statement Dembski made wasn't simply an "argument from ignorance?" As, indeed, the entire ID philosophy is.

ID has proposed no testable hypothesis. The promoters have not even managed to reach Step #1 for establishing a scientific theory. Yet they push for it (aka "alternate theories") to be taught in public schools in Georgia, Nebraska, Ohio, New Mexico, Kansas, Wisconsin, and other states.

AAAAAAAAAAUUUGH!

Excuse me. I had to expel some energy there.

Folks, this is a political/religious movement allied with the Radical Religious Right. It is not going away. The answer is political. Pay attention to who is running for your local school board and state Board of Education, as well as Senate and House of Representatives. They (RRR) are determined to dictate the educational and political agenda of this country. It's up to us (rational people) to keep informed and vote them OUT.

Dembski, Behe, et al. are only the tip of the iceberg. They have one of *them* in the White House, and in the Attorney General's office. Don't let it spread.

Vote.

Lizard · 10-12-2002, 05:15 PM

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Rufus Atticus:
imple: Bible is not history.

Me:
Well, that's not completely true. There are parts of the Old Testament that conform pretty closely to history. Just last night, I saw a cable TV show on Discovery (?) that explained in naturalistic terms how parts of the story of the Exodus could have been true, based on geology, etc.

Genesis, of course, is not history, since no one was there to witness the creation of the universe, and there is absolutely no physical evidence to indicate it is true.

As to the New Testament, the Jesus Seminar has done quite a lot of scholarly work trying to determine the truth about Jesus. Was he a real person? If so, what did he really say, versus what others made up that he supposedly said? I recommend "Honest to Jesus" for anyone who's curious about "The Jesus Seminar's" work.

Coragyps · 10-12-2002, 05:22 PM

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Dembski, Behe, et al. are only the tip of the iceberg. They have one of *them* in the White House, and in the Attorney General's office. Don't let it spread.

Vote.

What can I say, except, "Amen!"

pz · 10-12-2002, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by Lizard:
ISCID is a BB for Dembski sycophants.

I agree. It, and ARN as well, are incredibly bad because the moderation is intended to shelter one rather indefensible point of view. I've given up on reading either one; it just got to be too much, with nothing but pretentious vacuities being posted by clueless clowns...like Dembski himself.

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Just recently, a thread was closed down because a participant asked if a statement Dembski made wasn't simply an "argument from ignorance?" As, indeed, the entire ID philosophy is.

That particular question gets right to the heart of ID. It's not surprising that they quashed it.

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ID has proposed no testable hypothesis. The promoters have not even managed to reach Step #1 for establishing a scientific theory. Yet they push for it (aka "alternate theories") to be taught in public schools in Georgia, Nebraska, Ohio, New Mexico, Kansas, Wisconsin, and other states.

And they do it in the name of "being fair". The sad thing is that a lot of people think that's a legitimate reason to taint education with crap.

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AAAAAAAAAAUUUGH!

Excuse me. I had to expel some energy there.

Folks, this is a political/religious movement allied with the Radical Religious Right. It is not going away. The answer is political. Pay attention to who is running for your local school board and state Board of Education, as well as Senate and House of Representatives. They (RRR) are determined to dictate the educational and political agenda of this country. It's up to us (rational people) to keep informed and vote them OUT.

Dembski, Behe, et al. are only the tip of the iceberg. They have one of *them* in the White House, and in the Attorney General's office. Don't let it spread.

Vote.

Another suggestion: even when an election isn't pending, keep on your representative's case. Send them letters and tell them how strongly you oppose any attempt to dilute the quality of education in this country, and don't let them weasel on the issue. Pin 'em down.

RufusAtticus · 10-12-2002, 05:36 PM

Hey, Lizard. You're right. I wasn't careful with my words.

RBH · 10-12-2002, 06:35 PM

sakrilege wrote

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Dembski's recent posts

He is around & posting...

Yeah, but look at what he's posting. When challenged by rafe gutman "to propose a model for the origin of an IC system through intelligent design in at least as much detail as i presented. that shouldn't be too hard, it's only 8 sentences," Dembski responded

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As for your example, I'm not going to take the bait. You're asking me to play a game: "Provide as much detail in terms of possible causal mechanisms for your ID position as I do for my Darwinian position." ID is not a mechanistic theory, and it's not ID's task to match your pathetic level of detail in telling mechanistic stories.

Now that is one arrogant SOB.

RBH

[ October 12, 2002: Message edited by: RBH ]

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10-10-2002, 08:36 PM	#62
Albion Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: US east coast. And www.theroyalforums.com Posts: 2,829	No, in the absense of air-conditioning, it'd be warm fornication.

10-12-2002, 05:09 PM	#65
Lizard Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas Posts: 169	ISCID is a BB for Dembski sycophants. Just recently, a thread was closed down because a participant asked if a statement Dembski made wasn't simply an "argument from ignorance?" As, indeed, the entire ID philosophy is. ID has proposed no testable hypothesis. The promoters have not even managed to reach Step #1 for establishing a scientific theory. Yet they push for it (aka "alternate theories") to be taught in public schools in Georgia, Nebraska, Ohio, New Mexico, Kansas, Wisconsin, and other states. AAAAAAAAAAUUUGH! Excuse me. I had to expel some energy there. Folks, this is a political/religious movement allied with the Radical Religious Right. It is not going away. The answer is political. Pay attention to who is running for your local school board and state Board of Education, as well as Senate and House of Representatives. They (RRR) are determined to dictate the educational and political agenda of this country. It's up to us (rational people) to keep informed and vote them OUT. Dembski, Behe, et al. are only the tip of the iceberg. They have one of them in the White House, and in the Attorney General's office. Don't let it spread. Vote.

10-12-2002, 05:36 PM	#69
RufusAtticus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NCSU Posts: 5,853	Hey, Lizard. You're right. I wasn't careful with my words.

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