Old Man

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beth

I really don't quite understand this. I value human life as more than mere atoms and molecules. Tell me, how are Christians truly more moral than an atheist who does respect all life? I really question a Christian's morality anyway. It seems that most(not all-for Helen ) base their morality on a punishment(hell) and reward(heaven) system. It is true that I now consider many things that are deemed as immoral acts as a mere religious intolerance or false piety. I don't see how you can have true morality if you do everything in obedience and fear in order to please a vengeful God.

False. Proof, please.

Really? I think that perhaps more crimes and atrocities have been commited through the past millennia in the name of a god/Christ than have been commited by men who deny the existence of a god.

jj

Oh, goodie goodie gumdrops, the old "atheists have no respect for life" horse-excrement.

Look, bud, it's simple. People who believe in an afterlife, who really DO believe in an afterlife, have no reason to respect life, because it all doesn't matter.

Those of us who conclude with good evidence to back us up that there is no such thing as life after death, on the other hard, are forced to realize the true, precious value of life, life that ends when the chemestry stops.

Life is much more valuable to an atheist, because there is no second chance.

Your illogical argument about atheists not being allowed to critizize the bible is absurd, too. Why do you get to criticize atheists, if we are to accept your illogic? Religions, from National Socialism, to Islam, Christian factions, Shito factions, etc, have been just as evil as anyone who claimed to be atheist.

Human beings, since they have no soul, no spirit, etc, only a brain that can go wrong, are capable of great evil. Their belief in the god-myth is mostly irrelevant, except in that atheists must value life much more than life-after-death theists.

Buffman

Old Man

If you are an atheist, killing constitutes the mere rearrangment of atoms. In fact, morality is an illusion for atheists - just a set of rules for living together without premature death, with some kind of temporal egalitarianism thrown in (not sure what sort).

I think you better hit the dictionary, old chap. You can even use Compton's if you like. I merely believe on one less supernatural God than you do.---Your first statements are without merit.

It is true that "morality" can only have a substantive connotation by positing the existence of God. Otherwise it is meaningless.

These statement are wasted without providing verifiable evidence to support them.

I will never understand how atheists have the cheek to condemn anything in the bible, since atheists themselves have been guilty of deeds of cruelty and immorality on scales which don't even begin to resemble anything contained in the bible.

Obviously you need to spend some time reading and understanding your Bible.

Gen 7:7

I would have to guess that God drowned everyone other than the ones listed above...8 people left alive on earth. Maybe your supernatural God is an atheist...because I am hard pressed to think of any immoral scale bigger than that. (So much for nothing in the bible.)

Old Man

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Buffman

Old Man

Might I recommend that you go back and read the rules for this specific forum. Do it now! I wouldn't want you thinking that the "immoral" atheists censored you unfairly. There is a time and place for you to pitch your Eternal Life Insurance Policy. Not now and not here.

GunnerJ

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Giorgia

Dear Blonde:

As you've just noticed, sometimes new xian posters sneak in and disrupt a thread before an editor or moderator can fix things.

Since you have to spend so much of your time defending yourself from the people closest to you, I know you really don't have time to argue with the same type of people here. Here you should only find support.

So, I'd like to suggest that, when a new poster comes into this thread and states the sort of bat-guano that "old man" was slinging at you, immediately check their "beliefs" in their profile: if the person isn't a free-thinker, just ignore them -- it'll save you a lot of time and aggravation, and they'll get bored and go away.

On another subject:

In another thread, there's an interesting discussion going on about whether or not the Brittish are more or less religious than Americans are, and the concensus forming seems to be a) that Brits keep their beliefs pretty much to themselves (in other words, they don't bandy godtalk around in every conversation as so many Americans do), and b) that there are a lot more non-religious people there than here.

The reason I bring this up is that a whole heck of a lot of English health-care providers are from India and other former colony nations, so Brits are rather used to being taken care of by non-christians.

It's sad that your family thanked god instead of the doctor for saving your son's life. Are you sure that keeping your children in that general environment isn't going to be toxic to them on more than a spiritual level?

beth

I think that perhaps I've been too harsh on my husband. I'm the one who is wrong. I do know that my attitude has been quite wrong and devious. I think that my worst side has emerged and I no longer like it.

Thanatoast

blondegoddess said:

You're the one who is wrong...about what in particular? Your new lack of belief, or the way you are handling it with your husband?

Wrong and devious? Have you actually deceived your husband, or your children, in this delicate matter?

I think some form of confrontation is inevitable in situations similar to yours, bg. But do thyself a favor in not placing guilt upon yourself for having genuine intellectual differences with your husband.

Two things you've mentioned trouble me:

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I am concerned that you chose to use those words. If this man attempts to coerce, or force, you into a situation where you feel uncomfortable, you have the right to refuse. There comes a point where "giving him the benefit of the doubt" becomes pointless, and counterproductive.

Again, my best wishes,

Thanatoast