trillian

First, God would have to reveal itself in some way beyond any human comprehension. Some way that my little brain cannot conceive of now, to effectively rule out any technology which can play with any of my senses (including false memories). Or he could just give me magical powers which could be scientifically tested, I might still doubt, but I'd be on my way toward belief and it might be fun for a while.

If it was specifically the Judeo-Xn God who came to me, I'd be disappointed- because if its all true, then my life becomes less meaningful and I would resent the games, tricks, inane rituals, and deaths over the centuries when humans, on a macro scale, could have fared much better without him.
If he's "perfect", then its some strange usage of the word that I wasn't previously aware of.
:banghead:

xian

lol. give it another read, it might become clear.

of course, i could be nice and give a complex answer to a loaded question, but i dont feel like it.

Koyaanisqatsi

xian

I have a serious question (believe it or not) that few christians have ever been able to answer, so I hope you will.

Why do you feel your god can do anything to you he wishes?

You had stated:

...as a pre-emptive qualifier to your conditions about him "requiring" to take a life. Why would a creator of a sentient being (who allegedly has free will, but we need not get into that here) ipso facto have any "rights" at all regarding that being?

I've just never understood that thinking. It's like saying that because your father and mother created you, they therefore have the right to kill you or put you through any dire test of your love and loyalty they wish. Why? How does the act of creating something ipso facto mean that the creator is in total control of that something's existence?

If I bred puppies, does that mean I have the right to kill one or two (or all) if I deem it necessary? Why? Because I am more powerful than the individual puppies?

Don't you really mean that you just wouldn't question his motives, because you've granted a priori that his motives are only and can only be pure, therefore his genocide is justified simply by the reasoning, "If god did it, it is therefore just," and if so, isn't that merely burrying your head in the sand, as it were, instead of honestly questioning such behavior?

God supposedly wants you to choose to believe in him as the GPB of your own volition, which would have to mean that you actually have the ability to make such an informed choice. This, in turn, would also have to mean that God has given you the ability to judge him just as he judges you, yes? Otherwise, how could you possibly choose him of your own volition?

babelfish

Let's say God showed up and really impressed me with His presence in some way, let's say by showing up in my neighborhood, towering 10 stories over me and speaking to me in a booming voice, and saying the Bible was true all along.

I'd be so mad. I'd feel my whole world constrict around me. Rather than being awed by the magnificence of the universe, I'd now have to resign myself to the knowledge that it's just a tinker toy set for some Big Guy.

Rather than being awed by the mystery of life, I'd now realize that I was nothing but that Big Guy's meat puppet. That the earth was just his chemistry set, and all the creatures upon it were nothing more than his pets.

I guess I'd be thoroughly pissed off.

The AntiChris

I couldn't even begin to imagine what it might mean to realize that "the Judeo Christian God exists". The question is therefore meaningless and impossible to answer.

Chris