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pangloss · 08-12-2003, 01:52 PM

This guy is something else.

He was warned and caught lying at ARN, after claiming to have not only written a program, but run an analysis that 'disproves' evolution, when he in reality had done no such thing.

He has a LONG history at ARN of never supplying citations supportive of his often absurd claims(one example of many ).

I had registered at his own MSN group, Progressive Equilibrium , but I refused to discuss anything with him unless he would produce supporting documentation, and I reminded him of his refusal/inability to do so at ARN.

I popped in today and - much to my surprise

, he has terminated my membership AND deleted all of my messages!

God Fearing Atheist · 08-12-2003, 02:10 PM

He sounds like a real gem....

-GFA

08-12-2003, 02:26 PM

He appears to be living a fantasy. Poor chap!

KC · 08-12-2003, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by pangloss
This guy is something else.

He was warned and caught lying at ARN, after claiming to have not only written a program, but run an analysis that 'disproves' evolution, when he in reality had done no such thing.

I love this:

Quote:

I am making the claim that 1)you can test the validity of various Darwinian theories using AGS, and 2)I �know� the results of some of these tests even though I have not generated and run the models involved. The suggestion that these statements bring into question the validity both of AGS and my conclusions, simply represents a lack of understanding of AMD methodology.

KC

RBH · 08-12-2003, 07:27 PM

This is the kind of general remark, wholly unsupported by data and unencumbered by experience, that warren makes that drives me bats:

Quote:

This is the Gould Eldridge punctuated equilibrium issue. GA models generally exhibit fairly predictable steady rates of evolutionary change. From what is known/observed, actual evolutionary change is more of a stop- start, speed up, slow down process. The point I was trying to discuss was the inadequacy of mutate-select or GA models to simulate evolutionary change. The lack of an identifiable 'throttle' is only one of the many inadequacies of GA models. (Emphasis added)

Herewith the average population fitness over 5,000 generations in a GA my company runs (pop size = 1000; genome size = 32 16-bit integer genes; point mutation rate = 1 per 1000 genes/generation, single-point crossover mating, tournament selection). This kind of 'stepped' fitness curve is the rule rather than the exception for a GA evolving in a reasonably complex environment.

RBH

Added in edit: Vertical = Fitness (arbitrary units); horizontal = generations.

pangloss · 08-12-2003, 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by RBH
This is the kind of general remark, wholly unsupported by data and unencumbered by experience, that warren makes that drives me bats:

How many times was he asked to support that claim? And what was his tone when he refused to do so?

Lets see, he has the "thats childish" comeback... The "real science doesn't demand such things" routine....

pangloss · 08-12-2003, 07:52 PM

Forgot my favorite, as demonstrated out in KC's quote - he "knows" it, so he doesn't have to support it...

08-12-2003, 01:52 PM	#1
pangloss Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,302	Warren Bergerson, anyone? This guy is something else. He was warned and caught lying at ARN, after claiming to have not only written a program, but run an analysis that 'disproves' evolution, when he in reality had done no such thing. He has a LONG history at ARN of never supplying citations supportive of his often absurd claims(one example of many ). I had registered at his own MSN group, Progressive Equilibrium , but I refused to discuss anything with him unless he would produce supporting documentation, and I reminded him of his refusal/inability to do so at ARN. I popped in today and - much to my surprise , he has terminated my membership AND deleted all of my messages!

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08-12-2003, 02:10 PM	#2
God Fearing Atheist Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Massachusetts, USA -- Let's Go Red Sox! Posts: 1,500	He sounds like a real gem.... -GFA

08-12-2003, 02:26 PM	#3
DMB Guest Posts: n/a	He appears to be living a fantasy. Poor chap!

08-12-2003, 07:52 PM	#7
pangloss Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,302	Forgot my favorite, as demonstrated out in KC's quote - he "knows" it, so he doesn't have to support it...

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