RED DAVE

B.H.,

I appreciated the humor of your response. I just wanted to show the "truth can be stranger than fiction" (or humor).

RED DAVE

moon

That is not the assertion I have made. Rather, I have asserted that your assertions are mostly nonsense.

Furthemore, I find your pretensions to caring about the people of Cuba absolutely despicable. I say again, Cuba has been under unrelenting attack by the world's biggest superpower for 4 DECADES. To place the blame for Cuba's problems anywhere but at the feet of U.S. imperialism is simply sheer cynical manipulation of the tribulations of the Cuban people for your own political purposes.

Essentially, you are using the people of Cuba to promote your ideology.

Also, you don't look at the history of Cuba, its break away from colonial enslavement, its desire to be free of all slave owners, including capitalists. You paint this picture of Cuba as if it just plopped from the heavens right into the Caribbean, that it's conditions are relatively equal to the surrounding states, and that its problems are due only to the Cuban system (or Castro).

When confronted with your lies (e.g. Castro living in palaces while the people of Cuba starve) you pass over them, and repeat new ones. In short, you are nothing but a servant of U.S. imperialism.

THE_LEGENDARY_HQB

Originally posted by Me and Me:
"The Cuban govt HAS imprisoned political dissidents, and that is good that they do that. They can't let Cuba to become another service country to the U.S. corporations, which is what those cubans in Miami want. "
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Finally! A Communist with the balls to dispense with any pretense of "respect for human rights"!
Tell me, Me and Me, are those dissidents who have spent years in isolation cells for doing such "counter revolutionary" activities as pushing for free elections and allowing multi party elections working for those rich ol' Miami Cubans, hmmmmm?
Again, we are presented with the extreme ideologue. Like his or her mirror image on the right, the leftist ideologue talks about human rights and freedom, but, interestingly enough, they seem only able to fault other countries on their records.
Those countries that happen to share their ideology get looked at through rose coloured glasses.
And sometimes, just sometimes, someone is honest enough to say straight out "if they oppose my system, throw their reactionary ass in jail".
So M&M, lets dispense once and for all with any pretence of caring for human rights. In this post, you have successfully demonstrated that you are perfectly willing to opress people to get your way.

Criminy.
Respect,
Shon HQB

Grad Student Humanist

More hot air from Moon, signifying nothing. Considering that I'm Cuban and my family is Cuban I'm pretty confident that I care more about Cuba and its people than you do. Since I've also been to the country several times and have studied the history extensively I'm also confident I know more about the country than you do. And I've already provided the proof on this website that Cuba does indeed hold political prisoners. You have nothing but your unproven assertions that they don't.

The "Cuban problem" lies square at the feet of Castro, a brutal dictator, a fact which honest communists readily admit, and communist propagandists like you who discredit your cause through your incessant lies.

Rusting Car Bumper

no because having property is an option with capitalism.

Further, if one goes from socialism to capitalism no force is required to implement it in the sense that no violence or force is required to TAKE anything from anybody because nobody owns anything.

However, when going the other way around force and violence is necessary.

DC

beyelzu

And I repeat what others have said until 10 years ago cuba was supported by the worlds second biggest superpower. Why do you seem to forget that?


moon, you did imply that cuba cracks down on civil liberties because of the "us imperialism."

moon

Right. I suppose that argument applies to Pinochet and his great concern for the people of Chile also. Pshaw!
Oh the dishonest! Incredible!

You have made several statements here regarding Cuba that are absolute lies, for example, that Castro is living in palaces while the people of Cuba starve. Not only do you yourself lie, but then you accuse me of lying, without showing any statement of mine that is false.
More BS. Only the anti-communist zealots call Castro a brutal dictator. You want to see brutal dictators? Take a look at Pinochet, Suharto, the Shah, Duvalier. Those were brutal dictators. Castro is a cream puff in comparison.

Notice, though, the continued refusal, even to admit that the embargo has anything to do with Cuba's problems. Not even a "yes, the embargo is horrible, but..." It's simply "Casto is evil," "communism is evil." And so on.

Well, this is quite typical of rightist fanatics.

Grad Student Humanist

I've already gone much farther in proving my assertions than you ever will, particularly since you have no real knowledge of Cuba, just communist propaganda. I've provided links to Amnesty International which prove that Cuba jails political dissidents. I've been to Cuba and observed the conditions there first hand which is more than you have done. I've seen kids begging at the airport and teen girls prostituting themselves to foreign tourists while you claim that everyone is well taken care of. I've met dozens of people who have fled Cuba whose experiences carry a lot more weight than your unsubstantiated assertions. None of them had anything good to say about Castro and his "leadership." I've seen the palace Castro lives in several times; meanwhile the rest of Havana is falling apart. I've seen Cubans waiting in line for hours for basic necessities while Castro dines on imported salmon; but I guess some communists are more equal than others. And your assertion that I don't care about the Cuban people is laughable since everyone in may family is Cuban and the majority are still on the island (except for the lucky few who have managed to defect or escape).

I've also gone on record on this website and others as a critic of the US actions in Latin America and elsewhere, unlike you who bends over backwards to condone the actions of every dictator of the leftist variety. I'm also on the record as an OPPONENT of the embargo and have signed petitions to that effect. I long for the day that the embargo is lifted so that liars like you won't be able to use it as a smokescreen to cover up the abuses committed by Castro and his ilk.

You are a poor example of a communist as opposed to others on this forum who have the integrity and honesty to admit that Castro's tyrannical regime is wrong and a slap in the face to true communist ideals. But since you're only an armchair communist who thinks the revolution is going to take place on the internet your opinions are hardly worth the effort it takes to respond to them.

beyelzu

moon, please respond to my last post.

Kinross

Moon,

If Casto is not a brutal dictator and communism works so well there, why do Cubans risk their lives to come to America on dingys, the people you say that are oppressing them. Maybe I'm missing something here.

Also I see that you say your from a former British Colony. Britian had many colonies but I assume you mean America. If so, why do you live in America when you hate it so much? Why not move to a more communistic country?