lpetrich

Fiach:
But some akaryotic cells have been identified and structures out of cells looking like mitochrondia and nuclei. One hypothesis is that the parts of karyotic cells (cells with nuclei) may be the results of mergers or actually intake of smaller lifeforms like mitochondria and nuclei that adapted inside the cell cytoplasm. So rather than explosion it may have been an implosion.

Eukaryote-cell endosymbiosis is well-established; mitochondria are most closely related to Rickettsia-like bacteria and chloroplasts to cyanobacteria. However, the origin of the rest of the cell is more complicated; was it only one ancestral cell or an earlier endosymbiosis? Here's an interesting paper on this subject that proposes some earlier endosymbiosis.

Furthermore, these events happened much longer ago than the Cambrian explosion -- something like 1.5-2 billion years ago.

(ancestor of Pikaia...) The other branch led to crustaceans. Why do we think that? It is because presumably Pikaea and later us still carry an usually dormant gene to manufacture a crustacean exoskeleton.

Fiach, I checked on PubMed, and I could not find anything on vertebrate chitin-synthesis pseudogenes.

Such pseudogenes would likely have been corrupted beyond recognition over the ~600 million years of their being nonfunctional.

However, there are several shared development-control genes, genes like the famous Hox genes, which specify front-to-rear identity.

Fiach

Thanks for the excellent link. I bookmarked it to print it out so I can read it more at my convenience.

Fiach

NOGO

Ah! if I could have a dollar for everytime Ed quote himself pretending to have settled some point ....

This is what Strong says about the "raqiya` {raw-kee'-ah}" used in Gen 1.

1) extended surface (solid), expanse, firmament
a) expanse (flat as base, support)
b) firmament (of vault of heaven supporting waters above)
considered by Hebrews as solid and supporting 'waters' above

NASB Gen 1:8 God called the expanse heaven.

KJV Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven.

NOGO

Not just Moses, but every author of the Bible.

The bible does not just say that the expanse separates water from water it also says that rain falls from opening in the heavens.

Ezekiel describes how the heavens opened and he saw the throne of God above the expanse while the Chrubim were just below the expanse.

In his dream Neb's tree was so tall that it touched the heavens (ie the dome)

Revelation talks about the heavens departing like a scroll.

Job 37:18 says can you spread the heavens strong as a molten mirror. (solid surface)

Isaiah talks about the heavens resembling a tent (ie dome).

Psalm says that the sun makes its run from end of the heavens to the other.

Ed, show us the metaphor that links and make sense of all of these and other verses.

What links all of these is what is described in the book of Enoch ie that the heavens was a dome above a flat earth.

This is what the ancient Hebrews believed and that is what is found in the Bible. No surprizes.

Jack the Bodiless

Well, I'm back. Still nothing new from Ed, I see...
And that's exactly what they did! The only exceptions were women claimed as property by OTHER MEN!
They DID. Women were an afterthought created from a MAN.

Ed, why do I get the impression that you have never actually read the Bible?

For more examples of the status of women as inferior beings, check out the SAB's Insults to Women section.
As has been pointed out before, the verse says that the women WERE raped. Your interpretation of the phrases "humbled" and "mistreat" is clearly erroneous, because then the verse would make no sense: "thou shalt not mistreat her, because thou hast mistreated her".
And what was that, Ed? WHAT had they done?

More fantasy stated as fact. You have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that those who were massacred actually DID anything at all!

Maybe I should try this tactic the next time Stalin is used as an example of a "bad atheist"?

Every single one of Stalin's victims was legitimately killed because they were criminals guilty of capital crimes. I find this belief convenient, therefore it is fact.
You definitely need to get a new dictionary. "Expanse" does NOT mean "a space, not solid matter".

From www.mirriamwebster.com:
An expanse is a great, flat surface, like an ocean or a desert. Tanks are rolling across the expanse of the Iraqui desert.
No, it does not. This is more wishful thinking stated as fact. You cannot provide any such evidence.
THe phrase "lay hold of her" rules this out. And so does the fact that consensual sex is specifically dealt with elsewhere. Of course "they" need to be found out! If a man is caught committing a rape, how can only HE be spotted?

There was NO death penalty for non-adulterous rape. I note that you haven't even addressed the rape of a handmaiden yet...
If it was ADULTERY the rapist is executed.
Your BS does not magically become valid with the passage of time, Ed. On February 14th you were just as ignorant of the Bible's teachings as you are now.
I have proved it, by providing examples.
Very few Christians believe in Biblical inerrancy. And are you now saying that you won't believe ANY scientific knowledge unless it's in the Bible?

You won't find any Biblical basis for the operation of transistors, or the existence of Uranus and Neptune. Or for round-Earthism or heliocentrism...
There was no post made by you on February 14th (or any other date) in which you dealt with every single Biblical verse relating to the Hebrew cosmology and demonstrated that NONE of them teach a flat Earth.

You merely demonstrated your failure to comprehend the meaning of the word "expanse", and stated that Genesis 1:6-8 and Genesis 8:2 do not say that the Earth is flat (...so? This is clear from OTHER verses, THOSE verses refer to the FIRMAMENT DOME).

So you are lying or hallucinating. No such post exists.

Fiach

It is not critical to say that the Hebrews were people from the Stone age barely into the Bronze Age. They were tribal savages and their views of the world were formed by Shamans who were often daft, smoking funny weeds, or eating mushrooms. I am not being critical. All of our ancestors had goofy myths at that time. The difference is that human adults still believe such rubbish.

Fiach

scumble

Ed is a lost cause

NOGO

If a woman tells a husband "it is raining cats and dogs" that's a metaphor. If she then adds "Please go out and get me a couple of cats for supper" the metaphor is destroyed.

If the "expanse" in genesis is a metaphor then rain from "windows of heaven", heaven looking like a tent and departing as a scroll are all statements which destroy it.

2 Peter 3:
7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.


Perhaps Ed can answer this question.

In 2 Peter 3:7 above why is heaven being destroyed when the stated objective is to destroy ungodly men?

There are no unglodly men in heavens are there?

Jesus also stated that heaven and earth will pass away (Mt24)

The only way to make sense of this is the great big dome over the flat earth. You cannot destroy the earth without destroying the big dome which it supports.

NOGO

Ed, is amusing.
If he did not exist we would have to invent him.

I doubt that any of us could invent excuses for the BIble, or for anything else for that matter, as Ed does.

The passion is evident. The only problem is that it is misplaced.

Fiach

If you quote Charlie Manson's solicitor/lawyer, you should attribute it to him by name. (Its a frigging joke, OK?)

Fiach