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Godfry
How do these recent finds "supplant" extant early witnesses? Wouldn't they just "challenge the textual purity" or some such, rather than "supplant" the earlier text?
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The article explains what I said. Did you read it?
Here are the quotes I was referring to:
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Gk. MS 1
In Rom 8.11 our ms apparently lacks ek nekrwn from the first part of the verse. This omission is attested elsewhere in important minuscule witnesses--1739 and 1881 among others--this manuscript would provide the earliest extant witness to this omission.
Gk. MS 2
For Luke 5.23-24 this manuscript now represents the earliest manuscript witness to the text (assuming for the moment the accuracy of the proposed date).
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Understand? If authentic and dated accurately, the MSS mentioned above are now the earliest known MSS to
witness or "testify" to the omission of
ek nekrwn and the presence Luke 5:23-24.
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Godfry
I'd think that supplanting some earlier text would hardly make it "hotly contested". "Supplanting" seems like a "done deal". "Hotly contested" sounds like both, or even multiple, variant texts might have a shot at being "the definitive".
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You're mixing up my statements.
The NT MSS in this discovery are probably not considered all that controversial and they are being dated around the 3rd or 4th century. This is a relatively late date, so "supplanting" doesn't mean a whole lot.
As to the "hotly contested" statement...
Many are critical because we do not have the originals and the first copies that we have are from decades after the fact. What I was saying with the "hotly contested" statement was that even if we somehow found the originals or even first copies that dated
very early, they would probably never be recognized. They would be vehemently opposed just like the James Ossuary and probably wind up being dated late or dismissed. I realize this sword cuts both ways, so skeptics and believers alike have to find some way to keep from screwing up the truth....
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Then again, aren't there variant texts dated to the same timeframe? Isn't this how we know that there was an ongoing redactive process?
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I don't understand what you're asking here or what exactly you inferred from my post. There are variants in early MSS and yes there was redaction at an early time...
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Wasn't "orthodoxy" an evolving process?
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On some level. However, I personally believe that the tradition was handed down from the apostles and stayed within what was later termed Orthodox Christianity.
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Man... The terminology you experts throw around.
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I don't know if you're even referring to me here, but what terminology confused you?
05-22-2003, 06:45 PM
