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Vorkosigan · 06-15-2002, 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by randman:
<strong>I have no idea what your twisted web-site states, but I have the Lamsa translation here with me. I suggest you go to a bookstore and look for yourself. It states "Let there be light" like all the rest.</strong>

Now that is interesting. All the websites I consulted said that the Lamsa translation is a fraud, and instanced Gen 1:1. Maybe it was changed...

<a href="http://www.dtl.org/versions/e-mails/lamsa.htm" target="_blank">http://www.dtl.org/versions/e-mails/lamsa.htm</a>
[http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/web/crj0032a.html]Christian Research Institute[/url]

<a href="http://www.bibletexts.com/qa/qa023.htm" target="_blank">Noted Scholar Bruce Metzger labels it a fraud</a>

Really, randman, what more do you want? And what is Lamsa's rendering of owph there? Strong has "fowl," same as "bird."

Vorkosigan

randman · 06-18-2002, 05:48 PM

I have no idea what your twisted web-site states, but I have the Lamsa translation here with me. I suggest you go to a bookstore and look for yourself. It states "Let there be light" like all the rest.

I have owned the Lamsa version for nearly 15 years. The sites you mention are full of it. I suggest you go to a bookstore, and humbly apologize afterwards.

randman · 06-18-2002, 07:07 PM

Vork, I did a quick search on MSN, and only one web-site bashes it. Fact is Lamsa boasts of minor differences such as translating "a thread through the eye of the needle" rather than "camel" and trust me Genesis 1:3 is not one of them. Nothing in the Lamsa version contradicts traditional Christian doctrine in the slightest.

Vorkosigan · 06-18-2002, 11:49 PM

Metzger
"George Lamsa, L-A-M-S-A, who in the 1940s persuaded a reputable publisher of the Bible in Philadelphia, the Winston Publishing Company, to issue his absolute fraud, of 'the Bible translated from the original Aramaic.' Absolutely a money getter, and nothing else."

randman, Metzger, who is an extremely circumspect and restrained scholar, labeled it a fraud.

randman · 06-19-2002, 10:47 AM

Labelling something a fraud and then backing up that claim with a false accusation isn't the sign of a respectable scholar.
Is he the same guy that states that Genesis 1:3 is translated "Let there be enlightenment"?
If so, he is woefully misinformed and didn't even bother to check the text. Once again, i have a hard copy, that trumps what others say about it, and I have it right here, and it is translated like all the rest. "Let there be light."
Anyone can say anything on the web. That doesn't make it so. It doesn't even mean the author of the web-site is who he says he is. Drop by a bookstore, or a library and see for yourself.

Dr Rick · 06-19-2002, 10:53 AM

...This from the dishonest man who falsely accuses "evolutionists" of believing in <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=000933" target="_blank">spontaneous generation</a>.

randman · 06-19-2002, 11:32 AM

Abiogenesis is a form of spontaneous generation. Coyne states this even, and heis a professot of ecology and evolution at the university of Chicago.
Funny how when you evolutionists lose an argument, you go on to make personal attacks, call people liars, and such. It is obvious then you are losing an argument and thus resort to such tactics.
I have long since given up on honesty and integrity being the hall-mark of evolutionists.

Dr Rick · 06-19-2002, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by randman:
<strong>I have long since given up on honesty and integrity</strong>

No argument from me.

Rick

hezekiah jones · 06-19-2002, 11:57 AM

Haha. We didn't know randman before he gave up on those things. He showed up afterwards.

Sauron · 06-19-2002, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by randman:
Abiogenesis is a form of spontaneous generation. Coyne states this even, and heis a professot of ecology and evolution at the university of Chicago.

No, he does not. You took a single comment out of context, and tried to hang your whole argument on it.

You got caught, too.

Unless you've gotten around to providing the original quote, in full context? At last check, you had not done so yet.

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06-18-2002, 05:48 PM	#142
randman Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 333	I have no idea what your twisted web-site states, but I have the Lamsa translation here with me. I suggest you go to a bookstore and look for yourself. It states "Let there be light" like all the rest. I have owned the Lamsa version for nearly 15 years. The sites you mention are full of it. I suggest you go to a bookstore, and humbly apologize afterwards.

06-18-2002, 07:07 PM	#143
randman Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 333	Vork, I did a quick search on MSN, and only one web-site bashes it. Fact is Lamsa boasts of minor differences such as translating "a thread through the eye of the needle" rather than "camel" and trust me Genesis 1:3 is not one of them. Nothing in the Lamsa version contradicts traditional Christian doctrine in the slightest.

06-18-2002, 11:49 PM	#144
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Metzger "George Lamsa, L-A-M-S-A, who in the 1940s persuaded a reputable publisher of the Bible in Philadelphia, the Winston Publishing Company, to issue his absolute fraud, of 'the Bible translated from the original Aramaic.' Absolutely a money getter, and nothing else." randman, Metzger, who is an extremely circumspect and restrained scholar, labeled it a fraud.

06-19-2002, 10:47 AM	#145
randman Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 333	Labelling something a fraud and then backing up that claim with a false accusation isn't the sign of a respectable scholar. Is he the same guy that states that Genesis 1:3 is translated "Let there be enlightenment"? If so, he is woefully misinformed and didn't even bother to check the text. Once again, i have a hard copy, that trumps what others say about it, and I have it right here, and it is translated like all the rest. "Let there be light." Anyone can say anything on the web. That doesn't make it so. It doesn't even mean the author of the web-site is who he says he is. Drop by a bookstore, or a library and see for yourself.

06-19-2002, 10:53 AM	#146
Dr Rick Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: USA Posts: 5,393	...This from the dishonest man who falsely accuses "evolutionists" of believing in <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=000933" target="_blank">spontaneous generation</a>.

06-19-2002, 11:32 AM	#147
randman Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 333	Abiogenesis is a form of spontaneous generation. Coyne states this even, and heis a professot of ecology and evolution at the university of Chicago. Funny how when you evolutionists lose an argument, you go on to make personal attacks, call people liars, and such. It is obvious then you are losing an argument and thus resort to such tactics. I have long since given up on honesty and integrity being the hall-mark of evolutionists.

06-19-2002, 11:57 AM	#149
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Haha. We didn't know randman before he gave up on those things. He showed up afterwards.

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