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JonathanChance · 04-27-2003, 01:04 PM

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Abstinence education struggles for funding

STURGEON BAY � Congress debates funding for abstinence-until-marriage sex education, the usual rogues claim it is too religious, despite its success in reducing unwed motherhood, abortion and the many sexually transmitted diseases afflicting our nation.

Abstinence struggles for funding while those profiting from the present disastrous sex education feeding the abortion industry, destroying millions of lives in abortion clinics with euphemistic names like women�s health clinic, (having nothing to do with health of either victim), are generously funded by taxes.

No discrimination there � female babies die as often as males, and, more often than we hear, so does the mother. Abstinence is the only safe sex for the unwed and the protection from the terrible STDs killing our young people.

We see the graying of America, the diminished tax base and downsizing of business and industry and never equate it to the more than 40 million citizens murdered in their own mother�s womb or dead from drugs or some STD.

The words �baby� and �marriage,� without which our civilization is doomed, are not in the vocabulary of the present dominant sex-educrats. National enmity toward religious values is destroying our civilization and we are too busy being entertained to care.

:boohoo: :boohoo:

Wasn't there a recent government study published that concluded that abstineance-only sex ed curricula are innefective?

Thalia · 04-27-2003, 01:15 PM

The first two things that pop into my mind when I read these things are-

1.How does marraige compared to a monogomous relationship protect you from getting an STD? In either your partner could cheat and not tell you. No sex is 100% safe. They are just using the safe sex thing as an excuse for preaching abstinence

2. The whole mind set assumes we are all going to be good little boys and girls and get married and have children. I guess those of us who want to either wait to get married or never get married must either be 30 year old virgins, or never, ever have sex, respectively. Whatever!

Anyhow, I am less bothered by unwed parenthood than I am by parenthood by the unprepared/young/reluctant. Just because you have a shot gun wedding doesn't mean you or your children are better off.

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We see the graying of America, the diminished tax base and downsizing of business and industry and never equate it to the more than 40 million citizens murdered in their own mother�s womb or dead from drugs or some STD.

"diminished tax base" that is a new argument against abortion!

JonathanChance · 04-27-2003, 01:25 PM

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No discrimination there � female babies die as often as males, and, more often than we hear, so does the mother.

Funny, I thought this was only common back in the good 'ol days when everyone prayed in school and abortion was illegal.

Jat · 04-27-2003, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by JonathanChance
:boohoo: :boohoo:

Wasn't there a recent government study published that concluded that abstineance-only sex ed curricula are innefective?

That is their solution to all such things, ignore it and it'll go away.

Their problem is that they think that sex for pleasure is somehow dirty and evil. Sex isn't the problem, it is ignorance about sex which is and they are the prime cause of this ignorance.

Like other options abstineance should be taught along with them, but not as the only valid option.

Soyin Milka · 04-27-2003, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by Jat
Their problem is that they think that sex for pleasure is somehow dirty and evil. Sex isn't the problem, it is ignorance about sex which is and they are the prime cause of this ignorance.

Oh. Very well said.

Soyin

harrije · 04-27-2003, 03:47 PM

Abstinance-only programs do not work, and Lubbock County, Texas, where I live, is a prime example. The county has one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates in the state, and competes for the highest such rates in the country.

A group of high school students recently came before the Lubbock Independant School Board and proposed a common-sense approach to sex education. It was a well-written, well-researched plan and addressed the need for students to get a solid understanding of sex and its consequences before choosing to have sex. The plan did include absintance as an option, and the option least likely to result in either pregancy or disease.

The plan was rejected. The president of the school board gave an interview in which he stated that the current moral approach was working and was the proper course of action for the city and school district to continue.

Bullshit.

A study of 18-25 year old women in the late 1930s showed that nearly half (47%) had sexual intercourse before they were married. Ask any honest septuagenarian and they will tell you, with a twinkle in their eyes, that very few American virgins died in World War II, and those soldiers who returned were given the most hospitable of homecomings. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. The reality is that Ozzie and Sharon are more typical than many people would like to admit, and Ozzie and Harriet were always a myth. The reality is that some of the first cars off Henry Ford's production lines were driven straight to Lover's Lane for a proper christening. Before the Model-T there were haylofts and pool halls.

The reality is, teenagers have sex, they have always had sex, and they always will have sex. We have to make sure they have the information necessary to be prepared to handle that situation when it does arrise.

The reality is that young Catholics who do not use birth control because the Pope says its wrong should be reminded that the Pope says premarital sex is wrong too, and they should play it safe and get the double discount in purgatory.

The reality is that many conservatives are anti-abortion because they view it as a minority issue. They won't come out and say it so bluntly, but it is their opinion that minority women, especially blacks and hispanics, are more likely to have children out of wedlock. What they won't tell you is that if their own daughter were to get pregnant outside of marriage, Mom would drive her to the OB/GYN and arrange for the problem to be taken care of medically. This would, and indeed did, happen whether such procedures are/were legal or not.

Conservatives aren't interested in considering reality, though. They like to keep their heads in the sand and practice Ostritch Morality. It isn't healthy for the country, but it does buy a sizeable portion of single-issue voters to keep them in office.

Loren Pechtel · 04-27-2003, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by harrije

The reality is that young Catholics who do not use birth control because the Pope says its wrong should be reminded that the Pope says premarital sex is wrong too, and they should play it safe and get the double discount in purgatory.

A buy one get one free sale on sins?! <LOL>

lpetrich · 04-27-2003, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by Jat
Like other options abstineance should be taught along with them, but not as the only valid option.

And we must not forget about options like masturbation and oral sex and between-the-legs sex -- a good sex-education course ought to explain how to get off without intercourse.

lpetrich · 04-27-2003, 09:13 PM

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"diminished tax base" that is a new argument against abortion!

I think that their position is that abortion is keeping too many children from being born. But their beloved solution would have EXACTLY the same effect, and is thus therefore equally wicked.

JonathanChance · 04-27-2003, 09:55 PM

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The reality is that some of the first cars off Henry Ford's production lines were driven straight to Lover's Lane for a proper christening. [/B]

I believe Fredrick Lewis Allen said it best in the book Only Yesterday when he referred to the closed car as a"brothel on wheels" for the 1920's young.

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harrije Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lubbock, TX Posts: 28	Abstinance-only programs do not work, and Lubbock County, Texas, where I live, is a prime example. The county has one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates in the state, and competes for the highest such rates in the country. A group of high school students recently came before the Lubbock Independant School Board and proposed a common-sense approach to sex education. It was a well-written, well-researched plan and addressed the need for students to get a solid understanding of sex and its consequences before choosing to have sex. The plan did include absintance as an option, and the option least likely to result in either pregancy or disease. The plan was rejected. The president of the school board gave an interview in which he stated that the current moral approach was working and was the proper course of action for the city and school district to continue. Bullshit. A study of 18-25 year old women in the late 1930s showed that nearly half (47%) had sexual intercourse before they were married. Ask any honest septuagenarian and they will tell you, with a twinkle in their eyes, that very few American virgins died in World War II, and those soldiers who returned were given the most hospitable of homecomings. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. The reality is that Ozzie and Sharon are more typical than many people would like to admit, and Ozzie and Harriet were always a myth. The reality is that some of the first cars off Henry Ford's production lines were driven straight to Lover's Lane for a proper christening. Before the Model-T there were haylofts and pool halls. The reality is, teenagers have sex, they have always had sex, and they always will have sex. We have to make sure they have the information necessary to be prepared to handle that situation when it does arrise. The reality is that young Catholics who do not use birth control because the Pope says its wrong should be reminded that the Pope says premarital sex is wrong too, and they should play it safe and get the double discount in purgatory. The reality is that many conservatives are anti-abortion because they view it as a minority issue. They won't come out and say it so bluntly, but it is their opinion that minority women, especially blacks and hispanics, are more likely to have children out of wedlock. What they won't tell you is that if their own daughter were to get pregnant outside of marriage, Mom would drive her to the OB/GYN and arrange for the problem to be taken care of medically. This would, and indeed did, happen whether such procedures are/were legal or not. Conservatives aren't interested in considering reality, though. They like to keep their heads in the sand and practice Ostritch Morality. It isn't healthy for the country, but it does buy a sizeable portion of single-issue voters to keep them in office.

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