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Magus55 · 07-25-2003, 08:17 AM

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Originally posted by Diadectes
Off topic, I know, but I have asked you this before, Magus, and as usual you conveniently ignored it, but if Jesus was sinless please explain the point of the temptation in the wilderness. If he was incapable of sin, then how could he be tempted to commit sin?

Because Jesus was human and was able to be tempted just like us. The only difference being, Jesus doesn't give in to temptation. He ignored the temptation and remained sinless.

River · 07-25-2003, 10:36 AM

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Such Islamic evangelism makes me wonder when we are going to see a "Christians for Mohammed" group, a group which maintains that there is a book which tells us what Jesus Christ was really like -- the Koran.

Guess what .....such a group exists !!!!.......

www.christiansformuhammad.org/

Hedwig · 07-25-2003, 11:06 AM

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Because I know what God defines as unrighteous and sinful, and no human except Jesus has ever been sinless.

I maintain that I'm quite sinless. I was baptized when I was fourteen. According to my particular church, that means that whatever sins I might be guilty of then or in the future are taken care of through that proverbial "washed in the blood of the lamb" thing. (Ick!) My particular church also tended towards the policy of "once saved always saved". By that church's rationale, I am sinless.

Magus55 · 07-25-2003, 01:36 PM

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I maintain that I'm quite sinless. I was baptized when I was fourteen. According to my particular church, that means that whatever sins I might be guilty of then or in the future are taken care of through that proverbial "washed in the blood of the lamb" thing. (Ick!) My particular church also tended towards the policy of "once saved always saved". By that church's rationale, I am sinless.

Um no you aren't. None of us are sinless, we are now just saved sinners. Baptism in water doesn't do diddly squat for you in relation to salvation. And I believe in OSAS too, but that doesn't make you sinless. You still sin, and as a now proclaimed Atheist, you don't live your life for Jesus anymore so you definately aren't sinless.

Novowels · 07-25-2003, 04:43 PM

That explains the "always saved" bit.

Nowhere357 · 07-26-2003, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
Um no you aren't.

Do you speak for God?

Hedwig · 07-26-2003, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
Um no you aren't. None of us are sinless, we are now just saved sinners. Baptism in water doesn't do diddly squat for you in relation to salvation. And I believe in OSAS too, but that doesn't make you sinless. You still sin, and as a now proclaimed Atheist, you don't live your life for Jesus anymore so you definately aren't sinless.

Actually, after ceasing to "live my life for Jesus" I started living my life for the God and Goddess. I was a neo-pagan for several years with an emphasis on shamanism. Sin doesn't exist in neo-paganism. So I was sinless then too.

But back to what I originally said about being sinless...are you calling my pastor a liar?

Diadectes · 07-29-2003, 10:37 AM

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Because Jesus was human and was able to be tempted just like us. The only difference being, Jesus doesn't give in to temptation. He ignored the temptation and remained sinless.

but he must have been capable of sin, otherwise what was the point in tempting him????

Surely the question isn't that difficult to understand, Magus. How can someone who is sinless be tempted? The desire to give in to temptation wouldn't exist.

Magus55 · 07-29-2003, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by Diadectes
but he must have been capable of sin, otherwise what was the point in tempting him????

Surely the question isn't that difficult to understand, Magus. How can someone who is sinless be tempted? The desire to give in to temptation wouldn't exist.

Jesus had no desire to give in to temptation - hence why He never did. Yes, i'd say His human side had the ability to sin, but His divinity made sure it never happened.

Diadectes · 07-29-2003, 12:46 PM

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Jesus had no desire to give in to temptation - hence why He never did. Yes, i'd say His human side had the ability to sin, but His divinity made sure it never happened.

So he wasn't sinless per se, since the ability to sin existed in his human side, but was tempered by his divine side. Right. Thank you, that does make it a little clearer.

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