yguy

If it were just a bunch of immigrants who happen to be Muslims, you'd have a point, but they are harboring a chapter of the Arab-European League, run by a man who is openly sympathetic to Hesbollah and Hamas. It's not as benign as you make it appear.

Not just consensual adult behavior. Amsterdam is the undisputed pedophilia capital of the world. Big surprise, huh?

Grad Student Humanist

Nor is it as sinister as you make it appear. No European country is going to be under Sharia law anytime soon. Europeans have less tolerance for religious bullshit than Americans do. And, once again, this has nothing to do with legalized drugs or prostitution.



Proof? Or am I just supposed to take your word for it, considering how you've already tried to assert that legalized drugs in Holland was leading to a takeover by "Islamofacists," an assertion which is totally baseless.

Farren

Big assertain. Proof?

And just to forgo any silly arguments. They have laws allowing those kids between 13 and 16 to have sex with kids between 13 and 16 with parental consent, and not for the cameras. This is not paedophilia. The human organism is sexually mature at 13, so they're quite possibly the most sensible society in the world IMO.

yguy

If you don't think a group headed by a an avowed terrorist sympathizer is an ominous sign, I guess you don't think much.

Hey - as long as it's not in your lifetime, who cares, right?

It won't matter. The French didn't much care for the Nazis either, but begged fell to Hitler like a house of cards.

Sure it does. Those things weaken the national character, so that when the barbarians come, the only way to survive is as a slave.

http://www.layman.org/layman/the-lay...edophiles.html

The Rev. Leen van Drimmelen of Amsterdam, Holland, has caused consternation by publicly asking for acceptance of pedophiles. He was openly supported by several church leaders, including Rev. Richard Vissinga, moderator of the Synod of Holland’s second largest Protestant denomination.

In a letter to the editor of the newspaper Trouw, published Saturday, January 10, 1998, van Drimmelen expressed his wish "that pedophilia becomes an issue that we can talk about in our society." He stated, "A person may no longer be discriminated against for sexual orientation. But that does not apply to people with a sexual orientation other than a heterosexual or homosexual one." According to Rev. van Drimmelen, "Pedophilia is still a taboo."

He also wrote, "Like in any other relationship, a child can be abused and damaged in a pedophile relationship, too. But is that a good reason to outlaw and punish all pedophilia?"

The Reformed minister, who teaches Church Polity at the Free University of Amsterdam, claimed that "it is inaccurate to call children in a pedophile relationship ‘victims.’" He added, "One forgets that it has been shown that children in a pedophile relationship experience hardly any or no damage at all." In his letter to the editor, van Drimmelen wrote that he is a pedophile himself. However he retracted that claim in a later interview.


From a certain Amsterdam-based magazine which caters to perverts:

Most pedophiles are good souls. A part of their violent behaviour might even be explained by the fact they`re portrayed as devils. Any sociologist will tell you, that belief creates fact. If you see pedophiles as monsters and murderers they`ll become just that.

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On the other hand many gay men once grown up have the feeling these dirty men" were the one stroke of good luck in their entire childhood. For many a budding gay man a pedophile does not signify danger, but is the welcome possibility of an outside world that isn`t as exclusive heterosexual as the family. Due to the social stigma they still suffer, gay men in general show more understanding of other sexual preferences straight people often sniff at. Gays and sometimes lesbians are the ones who`ll stand up not only for pedophilia but also for sadomasochism and other perversions", or are the ones to be involved in such pleasures.

I didn't post the link because the page has 3 pictures, each with a man and a boy, fully clothed, not engaged in overtly sexual activity - but artfully suggestive, shall we say. Far worse than pictures of aborted fetuses, for my money.

Now, my claim that Amsterdam is the undisputed pedophilia champ may not be strictly true, but I think the fact that they harbor such idiocy is indicative of serious internal rot, to say the least. Hell, even the RCC wouldn't have cut a priest who ADVOCATED pedophilia any slack.

Grad Student Humanist

Not only won't it happen in my lifetime, it won't happen ever. You made a ridiculous point: linking the legalization of drugs and prostitution with the imposition of Sharia law. You've offered nothing to validate this position because you can't. One has nothing to do with another. As for it "weakening the national character," that is strictly your opinion and it cannot be proven.

I would refute your "proof" that Amsterdam is the pedophile capital of the world, but it's obvious that you realize yourself that your claim cannot be supported by the evidence you provided. I can find plenty of man-boy love sites which are run by Americans (and people of other nationalities), not to mention the fact that America "harbors" thousands of pedophiles too.

None of this has anything to do with your contention that Holland is in dire trouble because they legalized prostitution and soft drugs. That is an unproven, and unprovable, assertion.

fatherphil

yes, cause violent folks will always be with us legal drugs or not.

fatherphil

no more nicer than living in a world where you discount those you disagree with.

yguy

What's gonna stop it? The invincible Dutch military? Or are they just gonna come crying to us like every other European country?

If an American cleric advocated pedophilia, even the "mainstream" homosexual groups would pillory him. They had brains enough to cut NAMBLA loose years ago. No way in hell can you say the Dutch tolerance for pedophilia isn't extrordinary.

That licentiousness slowly destroys moral courage is obviously not verifiable empirically, but it is true nonetheless.

Grad Student Humanist

You're the one who's overstating the problem. And now you're implying that Muslims will somehow invade Holland. Oh, and that has something to do with the drug laws. Right.

Right. This amounts to nothing but you're opinion, and as such, it matters little to me.

Majestyk

I don't discount them. I can't. They are in the majority.

I just try to make it day to day without some self-appointed arm of the almighty, threatening my liberty,,