yguy

You only feel compelled because you get angry when you read my posts or dk's. If we're just mean-spirited, judgmental right wingers trying to make you feel like dirt, you are only playing into our hands by reacting in this fashion. Do yourself a flavor: don't get angry, that you may see more clearly how to defeat our arguments, or don't get angry and leave the thread alone.

Nowhere357

I don't disagree - your assumption is wrong. Also, I think it is already a crime to knowingly spread deadly incurable diseases, so everythings okay now, right?

On the other hand, maybe we should just outlaw life, the source of all incurable diseases, and be done with it.

I don't know that they do.

Besides, it's the rock-climbers that worry me. What are they thinking? Such disregard for their lives!

I don't know that they do.

Besides, I'm more upset by the right-wing hate-monger war-hawks with their hidden agendas and self-righteous arrogant ignorance.

Nowhere357

You've got this "evasion" thing down to a fine art, yguy.

For the third time, answer these questions:

Is evasiveness how you intend to support your position?

In what way is "homosexuality occurs throughout the animal kingdom" and "homosexuality does not violate rights" intellectually bankrupt?

That leaves the question of rights. Unless you think some other criteria is more valid, in which case perhaps you could illuminate us? Exactly what is it that supecedes our rights and responsibilities? What is it that you base your opinion on?

So because it's normal, and because it violates no one's rights, there really is no reason to talk about this any more. Unless you actually HAVE a reason? Do you intend to actually offer any support for your position at all?

Do you claim homosexuality is deviant? Why?

yguy

Nothin' doin'. If we can't agree on your premise, and you aren't willing to defend that premise, further discussion is a waste of time. We might as well try to build a house from the roof down.

twisted brother

From the outside looking in, this discussion seems to have degenerated to a group of people debating with an illogical, arbitrary, reactionary agitator. While I am tempted to engage him, I don't see that he ever uses logic and reason, so why bother.
What surprises me is that there are so many folks involved in the discussion who seem to depend on obsolete mores (i.e., moral attitudes) and ideals.
Are these groups for the most part not freethinkers? Is not the general perspective for most folks here one of non-theist, non-dogmatic even non-traditional philosophies?
Perhaps I am bogged in the semantics of this discussion, but it doesn't seem that the original post was intended to discuss the validity of the editorial, but rather to state an abhorrence for Cal Thomas' archaic, dogma-based opinion, which is a reflection of our flawed American society and its laws.

yguy

No, because this is not a blanket statement about homosexuals, but about leaders, journalists, etc.

dk, if you have a link for any of that, post it if you will - or cite the
source(s).

dk

Originally posted by Nowhere357
I don't disagree - your assumption is wrong. Also, I think it is already a crime to knowingly spread deadly incurable diseases, so everythings okay now, right?
dk: Sorry but I must report otherwise. In some states a exposed sexually assaulted victim, [wo]man, health care worker, fireman or police officer can appeal to the courts for the [perpetrator][prisoners][patient]'s serostatus, but many states still have no laws on the books. Lambda legal, the gay wing of the ACLU, opposes compulsory testing even for new born infants with IDU mothers. While the internal fluids of an hiv+ pose a legitimate bio-hazard there's little if any consideration given to the health of the general public.

Originally posted by Nowhere357
On the other hand, maybe we should just outlaw life, the source of all incurable diseases, and be done with it.
dk: That's exactly how a culture of death proceeds, they understand death as a final solution to all human problems.

Originally posted by Nowhere357 Besides, it's the rock-climbers that worry me. What are they thinking? Such disregard for their lives!
dk: I don't follow...
(snip)

Originally posted by Nowhere357
Besides, I'm more upset by the right-wing hate-monger war-hawks with their hidden agendas and self-righteous arrogant ignorance.
dk: The bloodiest wars give the lowest ranking infantry soldier better odds than a gay teen in a NYC public high schools.

dk

Out of one of the article son this page http://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/la...ues/v14n2.html

twisted brother

Please cite facts and sources. Interesting that you state the opinion of an organization and inaccurately describe their association with the ACLU. You also fail to cite the briefs or decisions.
I can state that:
The Christian Medical & Dental Associations (CMDA) which is the right wing of the American Medical Association believes AIDS and HIV is the result of immoral behavior and as such, "Christian physicians and dentists, following the example of Christ, should provide basic care for HIV-infected persons, but should not prescribe medication or make extraordinary efforts to extend the life of patients who were infected as a result of male-to-male sexual contact." They also state, "Married people who have intercourse with anyone other than their marriage partner are defiling a marriage union which God has sealed and are in sin." And further, "We condemn the perversion of sexuality in pornography, rape, incest, and all other forms of sexuality that deviate from the biblical norm for Christian marriage. These perversions should be prohibited by law and punished by stoning or flogging."
However, only parts of these quotes are true. While they sound plausible, this does not make them true. Further the AMA is not in any way associated with the CMDA.
You should start some internet rumors about free bibles at Walmart if you forward this email to 10,000 non-believers. They'll probably believe you.

twisted brother

A supposed law review from the "university" founded by the king nut job himself:
Nearly 370 years after that prophecy was uttered, a dedicated servant of God, Dr. M.G. "Pat" Robertson, founded the Christian Broadcasting Network -- which is now the world's largest Christian network. Soon after, in 1978, Robertson founded Regent University, a university that would train Christian leaders to help bring real hope and change to our world. Regent rapidly developed into a one-of-a-kind university, exclusively offering Christian graduate-level programs.

Are there three or four U.S. Supreme Court justices who graduated from Regent?