WJ

Thanks David!

I won't stray too far but thought it would be a good piggy back. Joedad turned it around and so I didn't want him to have any reason to complain about dancing around questions (not that that ever happens-not). So much for politics.

"One hole is obviously that we cannot make sense of a "necessary being". Any "being" that we can think of, we can think of not existing."

Slave, we cannot make sense out of our own conscious existence-our being, which seemingly, is necessary for any process of thought to take place. What is the difference?

Walrus

WJ

Hi John!

Yes booger's are real. You can pick your seat, you can pick your nose , but you can't pick your friend's....well anyway, maybe you could help me in the other thread about 'love' (David's thread which has been moved to misc.) by responding to my question about 'objectivity'. Did you miss it?
Shall we go over there? Love is one of my favorite topics of paradox!

ehh?

joedad

DNFTT

joe

Jamie_L

Agggghhhhh!!!!!!

How many times has it been said in how many of these threads: atheism is not a world-view. It is not a philosophy. David, you are tilting at windmills!

The first sentence in your OP is silly, as should be evidenced in this paraphrase:

Beginning with the proposition that The moon is not made of cheese, what sort of rational, reasonable and defensible worldview do you have?

What does the statement in bold have to do with developing a worldview. Because God does for the basis of your worldview, you assume that not believing in God must entail some other worldview, but it does not. There are many possible worldviews that an atheist might take. Naturally, they will not involve a god, but they need not have any other similarity. If you wish you attack a specific worldview (as I've said before, I think you're trying to attack naturalism and materialism but calling it atheism), then do that. You'll have much better responses.

I absolutely agree with you. Now, repeat after me: atheism is not a philosophy. It is a single negative response to the proposition of God, nothing more.

Jamie

Philosoft

Your perception is obviously malfunctioning.

<strong> Jebus, but you can be dense sometimes. You just refuted yourself in one sentence. Atheism is, indeed, a "single negative proposition." That's why it isn't a philosophy!

<strong> Yes, and I'm tired of disagreeing about the same thing over and over.

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Koyaanisqatsi

There is no such thing as an "atheistic belief."

Atheism: the absence of belief in a god or gods.

Darwin's Finch

DNFTT.

HelenM

Does this count as a "philosophy"?

I find out what annoys people and then I do it as much as possible.

I know it's not negatively stated...

love
Helen

madmax2976

The problem David is your inability to grasp what atheism is. You've been told many times so why you continue down these rabbit holes I have no idea.

Once more for the Record David...

Atheism is not a "philosophy". It is not a worldview. There is no dogma or creed of atheism. It is a position on a subject and only a position on a subject.

Stop falling face first into these straw men fallacies and making atheism out to be more than it is or insinuating it should be more than it is.

Theism is also a position on a subject, but likewise it is no more than that - "There is a God" or "I believe a God or Gods exist". Thats it. If you want more, then you have to start talking about particular theistic views and philosphies, of which there are a great many.

The same holds with atheism. If you want more than "There are no Gods", or "I don't believe in any Gods", your going to have to start talking about those philosophies that are atheistic, such as Humanism, Naturalism, Pantheism, Buddhism, Taoism, etc.. Then and only then can you get the answers you seek.

The same would apply for me if I wanted to learn about Theism. There is no creed, dogma, philosophy or worldview of "theism". There are many philosophies and worldviews however that are theistic and I can research those to find answers to the types of questions you asked.

This is as basic and as simple as it gets David. If you can't learn what I've written above, then your continued ignorance on this matter will continually lead you rambling off and asking questions or posing supposed problems that make no sense.

HelenM

Oh, that's easy. He does it because it annoys you...