wildernesse

I saw something about this on Christian Forums the other day where someone said that a clone would be more able to be influenced by Satan--but he didn't say why, I don't think.

If test tube babies have souls, I have no reason to believe that clones won't have souls. It's not like the protection of a womb gives the kid a soul. But don't listen to much to me, because I can't describe what a soul is--(something that goes to heaven? ) or how it is different from our spirit. (For those who say that we're body, soul, and spirit).

When pressed, I will say that I think a soul is consciousness/self-awareness. And then I grant souls to things like chimps and dolphins!

Now that I've typed soul several times, I am struck by how odd this word looks. soul soul soul

--tibac

Amos

All sentient beings have a soul and not just chimps and dolphins.

If the no-soul concept can be conceived exist in Buddhism as well as Catholicism (and perhaps others) it is obvious that the soul is not part of our consciousness (wherein we have a soul), but that it exists outside of our consciousness until we become one with our soul and then the no-soul concept can be real. That is, if we have a soul, we are not our soul and if we do not have a soul we are one with our soul. So then, if you know who you really are it can be said that you no longer have a soul.

To explain this with dophins and chimps is not easy but it is easy with caterpillars, cocoons and butterflies.

happyboy

amos, i truly love you. :notworthy you're my hero.

atheist_in_foxhole

WWSD

Well now of course clones have souls.

But here is the tricky part. The nucleus doesn't contain all of the soulular DNA, only certain genes. The vast majority of soulular genes are contained in the soulochondrion, which has two round DNA plasmids and resembles bacteria in some ways.

The soulochondrion provides spirit energy through the hydrolysis of ATP and the creation of a lot of complex soulular enzymes (soulochrome oxidase, soulate cyclase, 1,5-N,N souliferic acid oxidase, etc) as well as numerous transcription factors (Sonic the Soulhog, SOUL2, Soul Morphogenic Factor 4 etc) and structural proteins (Beta soulctin, soulogen I - VIII, holyghostin, spiritin, etc). This produces spiritual activity and faith.

Of course, this brings up an important point, where does the soulochondrion come from? The father obviously, not The Father (though all things ultimatly come from The Father eh?)

However, since some of the soulochondrions DNA is in the nucleus, a natural born child will have two copies of all nuclear soulular DNA as well as the paternal soulochondrion DNA, so a new soul is forged.

Thus a clone will have a new soul, but it will be a soul comprised of the donor nuclear soulular DNA and the soulochondrion DNA that the recipient cell contains.

A recent issue of some big named scientific journal found that atheists and agnostics have a mutation in one of the soulochondrion genes, a gene now dubbed godless. The Godless protein is a transcription factor that enables the upregulation of all of the soul DNA in the nucleus and without it, no soulochondrion activity is produced.

So far the godless mutation seems to be largly due to random mutational events during embryogenesis, leading to incomplete penetrance and differing levels of expressivity.

However, cases of inherited mutations in the godless gene have been recorded.

So far, no homologues of godless have been found in nature and only one species of archaebacteria (Solfulobis catholictaricus) seems to have anything remotly like soulochondrial DNA.



edited for spelling and such

Philosoft

LOL @ WWSD

:notworthy :notworthy

Demigawd

The Sphinx: Until you master your rage...

Mr. Furious: Your rage will be your master. That's what you were going to say, wasn't it?

The Sphinx (sheepishly): Not necesarilly...

Ladies and gentlemen, let's have a hand for Amos, truly the definition of "terribly mysterious".

Grizzly

Makes sense to me (except for the butterfly comment).

In order for I to have a soul, I have to exist independently from the soul. Then the soul is not me (our consciousness). If we do become one with our soul, then the word soul becomes redundant (I will suffice).

See how easy that is?

Grizzly

PS please do not try this at home.

Mad Kally

Did you have Dr. Sterling Roulette too? I learned the exact same thing in college! I'll never forget the krebsoul cycle or the electron transport soulchains. (or was it soultrains?) How about the possibility of an entire female race through the process of parthenosoulogenisis?

WWSD

Ahhh, the Krebsoul cycle... how fondly I remember it.

soultrate...iso-soultrate...
alpha-ketosoulterate... and so on...

Now, correct me if I'm wrong but, aren't parthenosoulic species striclty confined to the soulmenoptherans?

I'm not much of a taxonomist.