Godless Dave

Speak for yourself.

Bree

So, does your Sin-O-Meter go off every time you eat shellfish?

Magus55

Wrong Starboy, you haven't observed Evolution because it takes a long time to happen. Humans don't live long enough to watch a species evolve. The only thing you have that makes you believe in Evolution is fossils and natural selection. There are no transitional fossils proving Evolution, so its all assumption based on incomplete Evidence. And how have you observed the Big Bang? Because the Universe exists? Hardly observing the Big Bang. Big Bang is a theory, not proven - therefore it can't be observed since it isn't a fact yet.

And no i haven't been suckered in. I believe for my own reasons which have nothing to do with a big scam, or cause people say its right. And who the heck cares if I was? I'm quite satisfied putting my Faith in God, over humans. Humans are sick, destructive, evil monsters, with or without God ( so Him existing is irrelevant when it comes to humanities evil). You look forward to being in the dirt for eternity, we don't.

Starboy

Magus55, if you are going to talk about something you should at least know what you are talking about. Every year that a new flu virus appears is yet another case of evolution. When your grass adapts to the conditions in your yard that is evolution. When insects adapt to insecticides that is evolution. It is all around you. The world is run amok in evolution.

As for the Big Bang, there is so much evidence for it that it is hard to understand how anyone could consider creationism, which has no supporting evidence. The other thing to consider is that the Big Bang is in progress as we speak. You can look into the sky with a small telescope and personally observe the big bang in progress. Not to mention that there are terabytes of astronomical data on public websites as confirming evidence of the Big Bang. You should get out more and learn about actual reality instead of those fairy tails for adults you seem so fond of.

When you accept something blindly just because someone says you should, that is being suckered (accept with no evidence == faith == suckered). Me thinks thou doest protest to much.

Starboy

Magus55

Lol, tons of evidence on the Big Bang? Yeah sure, thats why Hubble is already questioning the Theory. We see the universe as evidence that God made it. The Big Bang is your "god". The force which created the Universe. You will NEVER be able to prove the Big Bang. What is your evidence, an expanding mass of matter? Woopty do! Big evidence there. News for you. God goes Boom, and all the matter in the universe eminates outward. There is your Big Bang. You can't prove the Big Bang and there isn't tons of evidence for it either. If the Big Bang was undisputable, scientists wouldn't still be questioning it from data they are getting from Hubble.

You can observe the Big Bang in progress? Um how? Because stars are moving outward? Aliens could have done that. You have no freakin clue whether it was from a Big Bang 14 billion years ago, God or aliens. Until you build a time machine and go to the beginning of the Universe, don't give me the crap about you have tons of evidence and its undisputable. Thats a load of crap even by scientists. Stephen Hawking doesn't even agree with the Big Bang happening on its own. He attributes it to a greater force. Sorry, but Stephen Hawking knows just a bit more than you about the subject.

And btw, Adaptation isn't evolution. If you move from a beach house to the rocky moutains, you adapt to the hightened altitude and get used to it. Or if you move to different country, you adapt to the new culture and environment. You don't evolve in a couple days.

Starboy, before insulting people about them not knowing anything, you should try to present arguments that actually have meaning instead of spitting out anything you want saying Christians are delusional. You sound like the sad excuse for a Bible refutation, called SAB. They just spit out anything that doesn't make perfect sense at first glance and claim its a contradiction. Scientists CAN NOT prove diddly squat, therefore its illogical to say we should never believe in Creation because the evidence for the universe creating itself from nothing is so abundant.

Bree

So if things are this up in the air for you, why did you choose to believe in God and not in aliens?

PS - I'm still waiting for an answer to my last question.

Starboy

Weeeeee! Your brain is out to lunch isn't it? Um, last time I checked when something goes BANG! all the pieces fly away from each other. Hello! Anybody home! And of course the details of the theory are always in the air. That is because unlike religious nuts, such as you, scientists do not claim to fully understand what they do not know. You see Magus55, if everything was known about the universe we wouldn't have to explore it using the scientific method. Of course if you like you can get your reality from an ancient document written by people that thought the earth was flat. Maybe its just me, but it sounds just plain wacky. But then again people with soft spots on their head can be bamboozled into believing anything I guess.

You may question how the Big Bang came about but no one that has seen the evidence questions that it is indeed in progress, Hawking included. You are quibbling over the specific details of the universe. Again, scientists do not claim to have the "truth" such as "truth" mongers like you. You see rather then accept fraudulent claims by religious fanatics, scientist are observing and exploring the universe all the time, so it is not surprising that the details and mechanisms are being revised and will continue to be revised as long as we lack a complete understanding of reality.

Yikes, more nonsense from the reality challenged. Adaptation is the primary mechanism of evolution. Evolution is simply the observation that species change over time, that continued adaptation and natural selection is what causes a species to change and eventually become a new species. You see Magus55, when such changes accumulate over time within groups of the same species that do not breed with one another, the changes accumulate to the point where they no longer can breed with one another. When that happens you have a new species. Unlike religion, there is no hocus-pocus, no miracles or fairies, just strait forward explanations that you can verify for yourself if you like.

Magus you may have something there. I never thought of it that way. The reality challenged would not understand natural explanations because they lack the mumbo jumbo oooga boooga they are used to. I suppose if I invoked angels, spirits, demons, souls and such you would find that much more convincing. Go figure.

Starboy

Magus55

Because things aren't up in the air for me. I don't believe in Aliens. Could they be real? To be logical yes i'd say its possible, although highly unlikely. Aliens just don't fit in to the Bible. And in order for an alien to do all that, they would have to be omnipotent and omniscient, which means they are essentially God. And then you just get into this whole circular argument so I find it unlikely aliens exist just like you find it unlikely God exists.

Starboy

Naaaah. The universe that we can see is finite. It would only require beings with more matter and energy at their disposal than we can see in the universe. As small a possibility as that may be it is infinitely more probable than an infinite being creating it. The existence of an infinite being in a finite universe is zero.

I suppose you could invoke the unknown, but then again, no evidence so it must taken on faith, same as being bamboozled. There is nothing wrong in just saying 'I don't know.' That would be the "truth" as opposed to the crap slung by reality challenged religion.

Starboy

Magus55

Starboy, my main point was in response to this:


That is an illogical statement because 1) there isn't so much evidence for the Big Bang. You have an expanding universe and thats about it. That doesn't do anything to prove the Big Bang especially when there are huge gaps in the universe that don't fit in with a universe expanding from a singularity. And 2) almost half of scientists believe in some divine or greater force creating the universe, including the most brilliant scientists there ever were, ( Hawkings, Einstein, Newton etc). The probabilities and inherent design within the universe is too astronomical to believe it happened without an intelligent creator.