Jacey

I don't particularly either, it's just that Americans are so hung up on how 9-11 was such a huge tragedy (which it was, don't get me wrong) but overall seem to care little when the same number of losses, and perhaps worse, are inflicted in a foreign country by our hands.

Jimmy Higgins

Then you have Iraqis using nuclear canisters to store food in, bath in, etc... I mean, didn't Iraq do testing on the mentally retarded in the 50's to learn the dangers of that?

I completely agree as far as this administration claims for accuracy and fewer civilian casualties. And in honesty, the percentage of deaths versus the pounds of bombs dropped is probably astonishly low. However, that very low percentage in no way means that children and innocents were slaughtered. To be honest, their deaths would be worthy if this whole thing was about freedom, alas, that isn't the case.

Jimmy Higgins

That is usually the best idea, but right now we have a president who has said he doesn't ~"think much into why he does stuff." This is a perfect example of it.

On the other hand, even the best laid out plan previously still would needed to of been very flexible depending on Iraqi moods. But let us remember this, the American Revolution started in New England, when harvests were poor and the winters were cold. It is unbearably hot right now, and no comfort is to be seen from temperatures for months. This is not a good recipe for success on the wing. I'm worried about things getting much worse. Iran helped cost Carter the election in 1980. Could Iraq be the same fate for Bush?

fatherphil

jacey, bush's "protection" does not change the fact that he is still a marked man. he may be for the rest of his life. secret service protection is nice and all, but he has laid it out on the line as the main reprsentative of our country. this is not to minimize the loss of any individual, but rather to point out the unique position bush is in as our leader. and to counter the mistaken belief here that bush, the man, is not in any danger. i'm sure his africa trip will be a tense one.

and thanks for the restraint.

Jacey

I can't believe you actually typed this. Of course he is a marked man, he's in the office of POTUS.

And what does any of this have to do with his cowboy "bring them on" comments, which no one forced him to make. The shallowness demonstrated by this entire administration is just awful. Can you imagine what it's like to hear this shit if you're one of the Marines eating MRE's three times a day worried about getting shot at by the people who were supposedly going to welcome us?

So much spinning I'm dizzy

jman0904

And some people wondered why the Fox tried to kill Hitler.
Go figure.

*Hunkers down as to avoid low-flying flames*

fatherphil

then tell me jacey, what do the marines have to say to those forces who intend to continue to conduct a guerilla war against in order to wear down the resolve of the american population to see iraq transition into a stable democratic government?

Danya

Unbelievable.

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How long and for how many issues will they continue to use the victims of 9/11 to try to excuse everything they do, including their mistakes?

Jacey

They want to know when the fuck Bush is going to let them go home. Their spouses and kids ask the same thing.

I read several articles last week with each sentiment, I'll try to find and link some.

Jimmy Higgins

I'd tell the marines that we, the government, were sorry that we didn't place you into a situation where we had a second clue about. That we didn't know that Iraq would put up such a fight in the first place and then virtually rip apart their own country afterward. We are sorry that our plans for a new government is taking so long and that every attempt at fixing the infrastructure is messed up because we didn't come in the right way. Sorry your lives are at risk because Bush has no idea what is going on. Kinda like in Lebanon with Reagan!