Volker.Doormann

You miss the point. Astrologers know the positions of the planets, as well as astronomers do, because they are using the same algorithm. From this astronomers and Astologers can predict astronomical events, such as eclipses, very accurate both. The only difference is, that astronomers don't take care about planetary angles, as astrologers did since the Sumerian divide the circle in 6 times 60°. You can use this algorithm also to correlate sun flares with planetary angle distances using helicentric positions. On 23. February 1956 was a big flare on the sun at 03:33 UT. See heliocentric angles of Jupiter to Pluto and both to Saturn and the angle position relating to a green mode 12 circle (30°) also of Uranus and Neptune escecially doormann.tripod.com/560223b.jpg. There is no secret in the science of astrology, as one can see from the simple angle algorithm, and no need to relate this algorithm in ane manner to persons. It's simple nature. Prove the significance wrong and you win.

Volker

ps418

And there is little or no 'science' in the science of astrology either, as evidenced by your complete failure to explain, even in a cursory way, how 'mental' qualities are related to or assigned to astronomical bodies, and why. Despite these repeated failures, I'll ask yet again:

How are mental qualities attributed to bodies of gas or rock? Supposing a new astronomical body is discovered, how are its mental qualities discerned, and how would disputes over such planetary qualities be resolved? I've asked politely about 5 times now. Since there are no secrets in astrology, why don't you answer my question?

Patrick

Volker.Doormann

I'm not the astrology. I'am person. I have no symphathy with you.

Volker

echidna

Volker, I should take a step back. Can astrology even make any predictions which astronomers are unable to ? Such as the fortune or future of a person for instance ? Maybe I'm asking for too much.

Volker.Doormann

echidna,
No, this is a serious question. It is this: Astrologers (& Astronomers) know the positions of the planets mostly correct over a great span of time. Also for future years. That, what astrologers can interpreted, is a chart, If there is a chart calculated for a day in 5 years, then this can be interpreted. The normal job is to interpret a birth chart of a born human, that was. Now there is a coincidence, if the position of a planet has moved in time and is placed on a position, on that while birth was an other planet. If this moving takes 30 years, then this can also be calculated from math. The point here is, that this coincident event is correlated with experience of that human to that special time (accuracy ~ a month), but which can process also some 5 years, if the moving body is Pluto. These process is called 'Transit', and in my experience, it the effect of at transit is more impressive, if there more then one planet is involved. It is not difficult to name the time of a transit in future, but it is more difficult, to describe precise the character of that experience. There are two good books from Betty Lundsted (Weiser / York Beach Maine) about this characters of Transits, from her personal experience. She was knowing my astrology software and I agree in 100% with her. This may show in little, what's possible. I never have take prediction as serious, about single 1 bit scenario's as 'On that day he will die'. Bullshit. It is the hole spectrum of astrological symbols, which must taken into account. And there is ever a free consciousness, that is able to handle a fate challenge in future days.

Fortune? Money? Yes, for sure. There are two sure indicters. The 2nd house and the 8th house. If there are Jupiter and Pluto in the 2nd house (I think this is the case by Bill Gates or such guys), there is money and power. Planets in the 8th house gives an inheritance. Fortune as satisfaction in life? No. This is only to created by the own acting. BTW. All that, what is taken from fate is an effect of prior own actions in this life or in the last life.

Hope this helps

Volker

echidna

I'm still not clear & I suspect that the issue of prediction plays a large part in astrology's unpopularity amongst the scientific community.

How can you on the one hand "not take prediction as serious", but then seem to turn around and hold up the Kobe earthquake as such certain proof of Astrology's power ? To me, either astrology can predict the Kobe earthquake, or it can't. To present it as evidence, to me is to claim the existence of prediction.

So if the stars "saw" the earthquake, why were there no astrologers specifically predicting it until after it had already happened ?

echidna

Could one at all say that astrology was prescriptive rather than predictive ?

But this would basically only put it on a par with human intuition.

Volker.Doormann

i.)You blame persons for a discipline. Is democracy responsible for the personal actions of George B.

ii.) That’s not true. I HAVE NOT MADE ANY PREDICTIONS. I have shown a coincidence of angles and two earthquake in PAST. Angle are angles. Not astrology.

iii.)It is evident, that in a time range of 5 minutes out of 8640 5 minutes time ranges in a month a maximum of angle order coincides with an major earthquake. If you calc the significance from this coincidence and the same coincidence of a other event in India, then this seems to me not random. It is mayby physics, I don’t know. But it is not a prediction. Its math.

iv.) The world is not digital as you suggest. Ever head from Gauss? No scientist of geology ever has taken this ‘random’ coincidence in account, and they have absolutely no knowledge about the process in future times of any earthquake. This algorithm shows, that it can be taken as well prior to an earthquake as also after it. This coincidence shows, that it is possible, that there may an earthquake to be calculated, but it must not. Science has many aspects to respect. There is well known math for the physic of weather, but there is no scientist, who can predict weather in the future of 6 Month.

v. I think it is of no worth to discuss on predictions yes or not; I think there are very real coincidences of very real data to talk about or not. Is this a science forum?

Volker

echidna

But isn't that exactly what a sceptic would argue, that astology is nothing more than coincidence ?

But coincidence occurs every day without any need for further explanation. I work with 2 women named Sue Lai, both myself and my partner drive blue cars, I've lived at 2 houses both numbered 13. But how is the existence of coincidences useful knowledge to anyone ? Amusing and entertaining yes, but how is this useful unless it can be of some predictive capability ?

Volker.Doormann

No problem. Next to skeptics are people who can recognize. Skeptics are skeptic to all, except to their own 'truth'. Its a black hole position in mind.

You can reject yourself, because there is no proof that you are. All atoms from your body are older than you. Are the water in your blood from supermarked? Is water you? Is there a coincidence of water and you? You are not. If you are a skeptic, you can not take you as nothing more than nothing.

It is senseless to discuss with humans who can not recognize and cannot give a valid proof their own true self. That is a black hole position in mind. Nothing comes back.

BTW. There is a topic. What does make (profane) angles. There is absolute no need to inquire the system of astrology here.

Volker