BadBadBad

How does it follow that because an organism has a brain it therefore has life after death?

What is a duplicate (astral) body? What ever that is, a virus may have a duplicate (astral) body? Really?

Oh, and how do you know only animals have a consciousness? The way you define consciousness, it's meaningless. Perhaps you're clueless on this life after death thing, and actually all these folks with near death experiences are having their souls reincarnated into plants. Therefore plants do have a consciousness. A human consciousness. In other words, if you can't define what human consciousness is after death, how can you know for sure that you won't find it in a plant?

emotional

Because then the brain is duplicated (as are all parts of the duplicate body), so conscious is duplicated. The astral brain takes over once when the material brain dies.



A body made of an exotic form of matter. It must have something to do with quantum physics. Science still hasn't found it yet, but it will, one day.



Certainly not. I've read loads of near-death experiences, and in them all, without exception, a human stays a human. And even reincarnation accounts agree: there's not a single instance where a human is reincarnated into a different living species.

triplew00t

If a human was reincarnated into an animal, how could that person tell you about knowing of its past life? Or if a human was reincarnated FROM an animal, how could it even recognize what that experience was, as it would have been so drastically different from a human life.

As far as the life-nonlife question, I make a simple cut off. Anything that can reproduce is alive. Anything that can move without external motion/force pushing it is alive. These two properties serperate life from inanimate matter.

But as you know, I dont believe in souls. I believe in Ch'i. So I think anything living is animated by Ch'i, and anything not can still be effected by it. Quite a different concept from soul, so our thoughts wont agree here.


Anyway, I dont believe in an afterlife (except maybe for a few years spent as a wondering ghost as your Ch'i dissipates and your preception fuzzes out.


And I am like you, emotional. I dont claim any evidence for my beliefs. Nor do I try. I will not argue them with anyone, and no one can convince me to change my mind (though I do often of my own accord).

A satisfied Nero

emotional

Viruses are still a problem. They're in the twilight zone between life and non-life. They reproduce like life, but they don't metabolise, and they crystallise like non-living chemicals. And don't forget that, originally, in the Precambrian, life came out of non-living replicating chemicals. The border between life and non-life is fuzzy indeed.

Consciousness is a much clearer demarcator.

Shadowy Man

That's just a guess, right?

If science hasn't found it, how does it have something to do with quantum physics?

How have you found it? Presumably through your mind, because science can use machines to detect anything that any of our other senses can detect. If you found it through a spiritual journey, then I can understand why science hasn't found it yet, but then you can't back up the statement that it is made out of some exotic form of matter.

You're just speculating.

emotional

It's a belief.



That's the still largely unexplored area where innovation must come from.



I haven't found it, I just believe in it. But if the astral body is a different form of matter than that which we and our current instruments are used to, how can it yet be detected? It's a matter of technology.

In any case, even if science doesn't find the astral body, then the medium of life after death may just be supernatural and hence undetectable by science. I'm not going to give up my belief in life after death anytime soon.

BadBadBad

Sorry emotional, but I'm not going to continue getting you to elaboration on your beliefs. Do you even recognize how whacko these ideas are? Surely you must realize how rediculous your ideas come across under public scrutiny.

My point in response to the OP is that you can't pick what is reality. It doesn't matter what you believe. Reality isn't influenced by your beliefs. I keep telling you. You don't have a clue as to what happens to you after you die, other than you'll be dead and your body will decay.

You and everyone else can make believe all you want, and you can be gullible, naive, and ignorant. You don't know. You can't know, and you will never know what happens to "you" after you are dead. All you know is the same as what everyone else knows. You die, and you either decay or you're cremated. Beyond that, you know nothing.

emotional

And you can keep feeling superior, Brett.

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BadBadBad

Even according to your own words, it's not just a belief, it's make believe. The problem is you keep presenting it as fact.

You can keep on cussing me out if you like emotional, but I'm going to continue call attention to your ideas everytime you present them as fact, every time you defend them as fact, and every time you put your silly ideas out there as even credible. Make believe is not fact and it's not credible.

emotional

Very well, Brett, I shall have to adopt a policy of scrolling past your posts.