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Nowhere357 · 05-24-2003, 04:16 AM

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Originally posted by Anna Karenina
In my case, for the first time in my life I want to try psychodelic drugs. I want to have the experience of knowing how our conception of reality changes when we are in a trip.

Anna, be careful please. I would give you two recommendations.

First, try to find a guide - someone with experience, who you trust, to help keep you safe.

Second, find a safe harbor, somewhere you can relax and not worry about intrusions.

I think the best idea is to go on a secluded camping trip (camping trip, get it?). Having windows open to the natural world is more rewarding, imo, then tripping in a concrete jungle.

Majestyk · 05-24-2003, 06:54 AM

That's good advice.

The Other Michael · 05-24-2003, 07:57 AM

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Originally posted by Nowhere357
I think the best idea is to go on a secluded camping trip (camping trip, get it?). Having windows open to the natural world is more rewarding, imo, then tripping in a concrete jungle.

If you are going to experiment with potentially hazardous pharmaceuticals, I'd think you'd want to be reasonably close to medical care in case things go wrong.

cheers,
Michael

Buddrow_Wilson · 05-24-2003, 08:48 AM

LSD isn't really harful in itself, but it could possibly aid you in doing something harmful. I don't think having medical facilities nearby is all that important, but I would very much recommend taking a small dosage for a first psychedelic trip (equivalent of one hit or less). LSD can last upwards of 12 hours which is something to consider. Being outdoors away from everything can be very calming and a good mood setter. Having a "sitter" is also not the worst idea, but not something I've ever done.

In all honesty I would try to steer you towards mushrooms for a first trip, also remembering to have a small dose for the first time. It doesn't last near as long and is generally a smoother, more natural feeling ride. Although some people would probably disagree. Downside is its possible to get naseated and throw up, although I never had. Its also possible to get the runs the next day, but again this has never happened to me. With a small dose, I doubt there is much worry of this.

Please do some research and have a very good idea what you are getting into before just taking some acid or shrooms. Psychedelics have a reputation for making you look at life and reality in a new light, and you may come out of it permanently changed in some way (for better or worse is a matter of judgement).

yguy · 05-24-2003, 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by Anna Karenina
The most important thing is to respect each other. If I take alcohol or drugs, why should it be immoral if I am not causing harm to anybody (except myself)?

I wouldn't call it immoral, I'd just call it stupid.

I find it ironic that so many atheists think nothing of entering a world of illusion and somehow trying to derive meaning from it while looking down their noses at Christians supposedly for doing the same thing.

Koyaanisqatsi · 05-24-2003, 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by yguy
I wouldn't call it immoral, I'd just call it stupid.

I find it ironic that so many atheists think nothing of entering a world of illusion and somehow trying to derive meaning from it while looking down their noses at Christians supposedly for doing the same thing.

Except that, christians don't enter into a "world of illusion," they exist in a world of delusion. There's a tremendous difference.

At least the drugs wear off.

Buddrow_Wilson · 05-24-2003, 02:39 PM

Yguy, most recreational drugs, when used responsibly, don't put you in a "world of illusion", they are mood-altering. Its arguably no more an illusion than is your current natural chemical state.

fatherphil · 05-27-2003, 09:43 AM

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Originally posted by yguy
I wouldn't call it immoral, I'd just call it stupid.

I find it ironic that so many atheists think nothing of entering a world of illusion and somehow trying to derive meaning from it while looking down their noses at Christians supposedly for doing the same thing.

sorry guys, but i was struck by the same irony. i came to see drugs as a lie that some persist to cling to.

Anna Karenina · 05-27-2003, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by Nowhere357
First, try to find a guide - someone with experience, who you trust, to help keep you safe.

Second, find a safe harbor, somewhere you can relax and not worry about intrusions.

I did not have the chance to read this post before, but only under these circumstances I had decided to try.

I took MDMA.

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MDMA's primary effects on the user are surprisingly consistent, unlike the wilder psychedelics such as LSD , or DMT . MDMA may feel mystical, magical or sublime; but it doesn't feel weird. The drug's influence feels highly controllable. MDMA tends to enrich the user's sense of self-identity, not diminish it. MDMA "provides a centering experience, rather than an ego
diffusing experience" (Dr. Philip Wolfson), though it may also cause a "softening of the ego-boundaries". Sometimes a degree of derealisation on MDMA may occur, but rarely depersonalisation in the ordinary sense of the term. On the contrary, users feel they can introspectively "touch inside" to their ideal authentic self with total emotional self-honesty. As well as acting as a "gateway to the soul", MDMA "opens up the heart".
Taking MDMA induces an amazing feeling of closeness and connectedness to one's fellow human beings. MDMA triggers intense emotional release beyond the bounds of everyday experience. The drug also enhances the felt intensity
of the senses - most exquisitely perhaps the sense of touch. The body-image looks and feels wonderful.

http://www.hedweb.com/ecstasy/index.html

The experience was not that amazing. I was expecting something more mystical and intense. But it made me feel very happy and relax.

Do I feel guilty or immoral?. No.
Am I an addict now?. No, I am still the same.

Anna

fatherphil · 05-27-2003, 12:12 PM

would it matter, morally, if you had become an addict?

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05-24-2003, 06:54 AM	#152
Majestyk Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 2,846	That's good advice.

05-24-2003, 08:48 AM	#154
Buddrow_Wilson Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Arkansas Posts: 1,589	LSD isn't really harful in itself, but it could possibly aid you in doing something harmful. I don't think having medical facilities nearby is all that important, but I would very much recommend taking a small dosage for a first psychedelic trip (equivalent of one hit or less). LSD can last upwards of 12 hours which is something to consider. Being outdoors away from everything can be very calming and a good mood setter. Having a "sitter" is also not the worst idea, but not something I've ever done. In all honesty I would try to steer you towards mushrooms for a first trip, also remembering to have a small dose for the first time. It doesn't last near as long and is generally a smoother, more natural feeling ride. Although some people would probably disagree. Downside is its possible to get naseated and throw up, although I never had. Its also possible to get the runs the next day, but again this has never happened to me. With a small dose, I doubt there is much worry of this. Please do some research and have a very good idea what you are getting into before just taking some acid or shrooms. Psychedelics have a reputation for making you look at life and reality in a new light, and you may come out of it permanently changed in some way (for better or worse is a matter of judgement).

05-24-2003, 02:39 PM	#157
Buddrow_Wilson Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Arkansas Posts: 1,589	Yguy, most recreational drugs, when used responsibly, don't put you in a "world of illusion", they are mood-altering. Its arguably no more an illusion than is your current natural chemical state.

05-27-2003, 12:12 PM	#160
fatherphil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: burbank Posts: 758	would it matter, morally, if you had become an addict?

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