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tdekeyser · 05-23-2002, 01:26 PM

TC,

Thanks for responding. I realize you and your husband want the right things for your children, all of us do. Please help me understand the Christian faith a bit more.

1) Will your children be less moral if they refuse to believe in God?

2) Will they be punished by you and your husband if they stray from the teachings of the Bible?

3) Are you going to allow your children to make up their own minds about God and the Bible?

And lastly, what do you think of all these ex-christians on this board? What is your explanation for them leaving the 'fold"?

[ May 23, 2002: Message edited by: tdekeyser ]

Panta Pei · 05-23-2002, 01:30 PM

If I may ask just one more question of you, TC:

Who would you attribute the following purported statement to, Jesus or Satan?

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

Indifference · 05-23-2002, 01:36 PM

ooh, ooh, I know, I know, pick me!

Perchance · 05-23-2002, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by True Christian:


My children can have friends but only if they are Christians and attend a strong Biblical church. My husband and I see nothing wrong with not allowing our children to mingle with atheists and members of other religions. The Lord Jesus called His followers to live within believing communities.

This isn't meant as a sarcastic response, but as a serious question.

If one of your children decides one day to do something against your teachings- not even not be Christian, but, let's say, turn to a different branch of Christianity than the one you're raising them in- what will be your response?

-Perchance.

AspenMama · 05-23-2002, 01:58 PM

True Christian-- I would greatly appreciate a response to my previous questions.

Also, you said:

Quote:

It could be considered sinful to learn about other religions because they could cause confusion and cause a believer to stumble on the Lord's path. Why would we want to learn about anything other religion when we already belong to the one and only true religion?

A couple of thoughts here: If your religion is good, correct and the one true religion, then it can stand up to questions and comparisons to other religions.

If you do not thoroughly educate your children, then they will be very ill-prepared to face the world. It also seems to me, that by isolating them, you teach them to hate others and to not respect the differences in culture that do exist in our world-- like it or not. I'm not saying that you must respect another's viewpoint or religion, but I am saying that to ignore their right to practice their religion or lack thereof is highly immoral.

You also seem to be under the misconception that atheism equals immorality.

[ May 23, 2002: Message edited by: AspenMama ]

hezekiah jones · 05-23-2002, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by True Christian:
My children can have friends but only if they are Christians and attend a strong Biblical church.

What do you do - interview your childrens' playmates?

"Mommy, mommy! Me and Billy were down by the stream catching grasshoppers! It's fun - and Billy is a great guy! He knows all about these different kinds of insects!"

"Why, hello there Billy. Before you continue playing with my precious child, may I ask you what church you and your family attend? ... Oh, so you're a Catholic?

"(I'm sorry dear, you can't play with this little boy anymore. He and his family worship the Whore of Babylon; they are sure to Burn in Hell, and I don't wish their foul superstitions to contaminate your True Christian™ beliefs.)

"Run along now, you misguided little apostate, and don't come back until you and your family repent."

Darwin's Finch · 05-23-2002, 02:25 PM

Those poor kids!

Still, I have to hand it to True Christian. You seldom see a believer be so upfront about her xenophobia and anti-intellectualism. For her sake, she'd better hope her brainwashing sticks; if it doesn't, she is going to end up with some seriously resentful children.

bonduca · 05-23-2002, 02:41 PM

True Christian, aside from teaching your children the spiritual values you feel are important, how else are you preparing them for the world? Is their education sufficient for whatever career they may choose as adults? Do you plan for them to go on to college?

Queen of Swords · 05-23-2002, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by True Christian:

The Lord Jesus called His followers to live within believing communities.

The Lord Jesus ate with sinners and tax collectors.

The Other Michael · 05-23-2002, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Perchance:

If one of your children decides one day to do something against your teachings- not even not be Christian, but, let's say, turn to a different branch of Christianity than the one you're raising them in- what will be your response?

Hi Perchance,

I imagine that if the unruly child is a son, she'll have to follow the Biblical dictate to take him out and stone him to death.

But, oh, the glory in doing the Lord's work!

cheers,
Michael

05-23-2002, 01:26 PM	#21
tdekeyser Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 341	TC, Thanks for responding. I realize you and your husband want the right things for your children, all of us do. Please help me understand the Christian faith a bit more. 1) Will your children be less moral if they refuse to believe in God? 2) Will they be punished by you and your husband if they stray from the teachings of the Bible? 3) Are you going to allow your children to make up their own minds about God and the Bible? And lastly, what do you think of all these ex-christians on this board? What is your explanation for them leaving the 'fold"? [ May 23, 2002: Message edited by: tdekeyser ]</p>

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Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	Originally posted by True Christian: <strong> The Lord Jesus called His followers to live within believing communities.</strong> The Lord Jesus ate with sinners and tax collectors.

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05-23-2002, 01:30 PM	#22
Panta Pei Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: in the middle of things Posts: 722	If I may ask just one more question of you, TC: Who would you attribute the following purported statement to, Jesus or Satan? "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

05-23-2002, 01:36 PM	#23
Indifference Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 165	ooh, ooh, I know, I know, pick me!

05-23-2002, 02:25 PM	#27
Darwin's Finch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Gardnerville, NV Posts: 666	Those poor kids! Still, I have to hand it to True Christian. You seldom see a believer be so upfront about her xenophobia and anti-intellectualism. For her sake, she'd better hope her brainwashing sticks; if it doesn't, she is going to end up with some seriously resentful children.

05-23-2002, 02:41 PM	#28
bonduca Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: . Posts: 1,653	True Christian, aside from teaching your children the spiritual values you feel are important, how else are you preparing them for the world? Is their education sufficient for whatever career they may choose as adults? Do you plan for them to go on to college?

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