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Mr. Superbad · 07-10-2003, 01:50 PM

Howard Dean has a petition on his site demanding the resignation of those who misled the country, as well as a nice little timeline about the Niger documents to go with it.

Quote:

"Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld's statement yesterday - that he only found out that the Niger documents were forgeries -- "within recent days" was stunning.

"What is now clear is that there are those in this administration that misled the President, misled the nation, and misled the world in making the case for the war in Iraq.

"They know who they are. And they should resign today.

"There will be investigations, and the truth will come out - the American people must know the truth - and those in this administration
must be held accountable for their failure to give us the truth before we went to war.

"But we do not need to wait for the investigations to rid these people from our government - they can resign on their own today.

"I am now convinced more than ever that it was a mistake to have given this administration a blank check to engage in this war - as too many in Congress did when they supported the Iraqi war resolution."

http://www.deanforamerica.com

Mr. Superbad · 07-10-2003, 01:57 PM

And here's more

Quote:

Campaigning in New Hampshire, Democrat Howard Dean demanded the resignation of any Bush administration official or federal government employee who failed to tell the president that claims about Iraq buying uranium from Africa were false.

"We do not know who these senior officials are, but the president should have been given that information," Dean told a group of reporters outside a hospital in Derry, N.H. "The individuals who misled the president know who they were and they should resign immediately."

The former Vermont governor, who opposed the war, added: "The only other possibility, which is unthinkable, is that the president of the United States knew himself that this was a false fact and he put it in the State of the Union anyhow. I hope for the sake of this country that did not happen."

Asked whether he thought Vice President Dick Cheney should resign if he knew, Dean said, "Anybody who misled Bush should leave office, whoever that may be."

Pressed on whether Bush should resign, Dean said, "I think before we cross to that we better find out what the facts are."

But in an echo of Watergate and a Republican president who did resign, Richard M. Nixon, Dean said, "The time for stonewalling is over."

ex-idaho · 07-10-2003, 02:11 PM

Powerful words. I hope the press treats this seriously and does not use it to paint Dean as some crack pot with a conspiracy theory like they did Mosely-Braun after 9-11 when she suggested that Bush might have known more than he let on about the attacks.

King Rat · 07-10-2003, 02:16 PM

Powerful indeed. Even if Dean doesn't have the juice to win the presidency, he most certainly has the juice to make this more of an issue than it has been.

Either way, he just won me over.

hezekiah jones · 07-10-2003, 02:36 PM

I like this guy. When is the GOP smear campaign going to start against him, or has it already?

ex-idaho · 07-10-2003, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by hezekiah jones
I like this guy. When is the GOP smear campaign going to start against him, or has it already?

It started about 3 months ago. Rumor is that Dean is the candidate that Rove most wants to face. They have been trying to paint him as a far left fringe candidate that would if nominated turn out like McGovern giving Bush a 40+ state victory.

Personally I don't buy it. I think that they actually fear Dean more than any other candidate for the simple reason that Dean stands to loose nothing if he is defeated and will run his campaign no holds barred. He would apply tremendous scrutiny to this administration and demand answers. As has been well docmumented this administration cannot handle scrutiny and refuses to answer the tough questions.

jman0904 · 07-10-2003, 03:09 PM

Dean won me over long ago. (HEYA! I turn 18 a few months before the election. Who'd have thunk it? An INFORMED teenager voting!)
I really applaud him for doing this, I was hoping someone would. However, my fear is that the GOP will use this to paint him pink even more. The spin machines are in full swing, just not as blatently obvious as they could be. They know they have most republican's votes in the bag, and so they're trying to get the moderate/leaning left-moderate votes by painting Dean as an extremist.

Arken · 07-10-2003, 03:19 PM

I was liking Kerry more than Dean, now Dean's got my primary vote.

Viti · 07-10-2003, 03:21 PM

Dean is number 1, then Kerry, then Gephart in my opinion. My nightmare is that my beloved Democratic party will run Liebermann ::shudder::

uhcord · 07-10-2003, 03:21 PM

"The only other possibility, which is unthinkable, is that the president of the United States knew himself that this was a false fact and he put it in the State of the Union anyhow. I hope for the sake of this country that did not happen."

Am I the only one that senses a bit of sarcasm in this statement? I mean, I didn't actually hear the man say it, but just the wording ("which is unthinkable") makes my sarcasm radar go off.

I turned 18 in April, so, of course, I will be voting.

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07-10-2003, 02:11 PM	#3
ex-idaho Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Spudtopia, ID Posts: 5,315	Powerful words. I hope the press treats this seriously and does not use it to paint Dean as some crack pot with a conspiracy theory like they did Mosely-Braun after 9-11 when she suggested that Bush might have known more than he let on about the attacks.

07-10-2003, 02:16 PM	#4
King Rat Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 6,855	Powerful indeed. Even if Dean doesn't have the juice to win the presidency, he most certainly has the juice to make this more of an issue than it has been. Either way, he just won me over.

07-10-2003, 02:36 PM	#5
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	I like this guy. When is the GOP smear campaign going to start against him, or has it already?

07-10-2003, 03:09 PM	#7
jman0904 Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oregon, the new Least Religious State in America Posts: 453	Dean won me over long ago. (HEYA! I turn 18 a few months before the election. Who'd have thunk it? An INFORMED teenager voting!) I really applaud him for doing this, I was hoping someone would. However, my fear is that the GOP will use this to paint him pink even more. The spin machines are in full swing, just not as blatently obvious as they could be. They know they have most republican's votes in the bag, and so they're trying to get the moderate/leaning left-moderate votes by painting Dean as an extremist.

07-10-2003, 03:19 PM	#8
Arken Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 6,303	I was liking Kerry more than Dean, now Dean's got my primary vote.

07-10-2003, 03:21 PM	#9
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Dean is number 1, then Kerry, then Gephart in my opinion. My nightmare is that my beloved Democratic party will run Liebermann ::shudder::

07-10-2003, 03:21 PM	#10
uhcord Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,158	"The only other possibility, which is unthinkable, is that the president of the United States knew himself that this was a false fact and he put it in the State of the Union anyhow. I hope for the sake of this country that did not happen." Am I the only one that senses a bit of sarcasm in this statement? I mean, I didn't actually hear the man say it, but just the wording ("which is unthinkable") makes my sarcasm radar go off. I turned 18 in April, so, of course, I will be voting.

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