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Oolon Colluphid · 05-30-2002, 01:57 AM

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Originally posted by LogicMania:
inscribe information in fecal matter?

ICR publications already demonstrate the possibility of this.

Oolon

Coragyps · 05-30-2002, 07:16 AM

Game, set, and match for Oolon!!!!!!! <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

LogicMania · 05-30-2002, 07:51 PM

What's ICR publications? I wasn't even thinking but I guess it wasn't as original of an idea as I thought. I was actually coming up with it in jest.

LogicMania · 05-30-2002, 07:58 PM

Ok well how about this idea? Suppose you have a neuronic systems that can produce radio waves in specific patterns that could be read by organisms with these same neuronic systems and (seemingly telepathic) communication could be a result of such acts? I am not trying to justify telepathy occuring in human beings right now but could that be evolutionarily possible? I don't suppose that idea is original either? Can organic matter to even give off radio waves? I think it can, can't it?

LogicMania · 05-30-2002, 08:03 PM

Some form of electromagnetic radiation can induce electric potentials in neurons, right?

Bill Snedden · 05-30-2002, 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by LogicMania:
What's ICR publications? I wasn't even thinking but I guess it wasn't as original of an idea as I thought. I was actually coming up with it in jest.

Institute for
Creation
Research

Duane Gish, Henry & John Morris, et al. Creation "Science" at its best (which is to say, a veritable waste reclamation center of academia).

Bill

LogicMania · 05-30-2002, 09:35 PM

ah, lol

beausoleil · 06-01-2002, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by Lispli:
...but considering the phenomenon of convergent evolution, aren't certain forms more likely to occur than others?

When I look at the literature, I find one group of scientists identifying some object as a hook for pulling down high branches (eg) because it looks like something a living species uses. Meanwhile, another group of scientists use the similarity of the two solutions to the same problem as evidence of convergent evolution. Circular arguments are the bugbear of evolution.

(Scepticism about some evolutionary arguments doesn't make me a creationist, incidentally. Most fields of science are beset with faulty conclusions.)

Fermi's paradox suggests to me that intelligence is not a high probability outcome of evolution.

Vorkosigan · 06-01-2002, 11:42 PM

Circular arguments are the bugbear of evolution.

(Scepticism about some evolutionary arguments doesn't make me a creationist, incidentally.

No, but misunderstanding them makes you look pretty silly.

Most fields of science are beset with faulty conclusions.)

I'm glad you told us this. I am sure we'll all be more careful in the future.

Fermi's paradox suggests to me that intelligence is not a high probability outcome of evolution.

In a universe with trillions of stars, even a low probability is going to have millions of examples.

Vorkosigan

Blinn · 06-05-2002, 07:12 AM

NOVA Online has a 2001 interview with Stephen Jay Gould <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/gould.html" target="_blank">here</a>.

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05-30-2002, 07:16 AM	#12
Coragyps Veteran Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Snyder,Texas,USA Posts: 4,411	Game, set, and match for Oolon!!!!!!! <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

05-30-2002, 07:51 PM	#13
LogicMania Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Springfield, Missouri Posts: 77	What's ICR publications? I wasn't even thinking but I guess it wasn't as original of an idea as I thought. I was actually coming up with it in jest.

05-30-2002, 07:58 PM	#14
LogicMania Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Springfield, Missouri Posts: 77	Ok well how about this idea? Suppose you have a neuronic systems that can produce radio waves in specific patterns that could be read by organisms with these same neuronic systems and (seemingly telepathic) communication could be a result of such acts? I am not trying to justify telepathy occuring in human beings right now but could that be evolutionarily possible? I don't suppose that idea is original either? Can organic matter to even give off radio waves? I think it can, can't it?

05-30-2002, 08:03 PM	#15
LogicMania Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Springfield, Missouri Posts: 77	Some form of electromagnetic radiation can induce electric potentials in neurons, right?

05-30-2002, 09:35 PM	#17
LogicMania Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Springfield, Missouri Posts: 77	ah, lol

06-01-2002, 11:42 PM	#19
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Circular arguments are the bugbear of evolution. (Scepticism about some evolutionary arguments doesn't make me a creationist, incidentally. No, but misunderstanding them makes you look pretty silly. Most fields of science are beset with faulty conclusions.) I'm glad you told us this. I am sure we'll all be more careful in the future. Fermi's paradox suggests to me that intelligence is not a high probability outcome of evolution. In a universe with trillions of stars, even a low probability is going to have millions of examples. Vorkosigan

06-05-2002, 07:12 AM	#20
Blinn Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 1,162	NOVA Online has a 2001 interview with Stephen Jay Gould <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/gould.html" target="_blank">here</a>.

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