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FreeToThink · 06-26-2002, 06:46 AM

I would be curious to know, TheistGal, if you would vote for an atheist political candidate, or in other ways deviate from the theist norm?

Just curious

Thanks

Panta Pei · 06-26-2002, 07:58 AM

"One of the reasons I started posting here was in the hope I could persuade atheists (non-theists, maybe I should say; I'm not sure) that they serve their cause better by behaving well, than by not."

I will say it to you, my theist friend, as I have said it to atheist proponents of the same position I have run across on this very same board:

Truth, honesty and sincerity do not emanate from packaging or marketing.

There are vast numbers of Picards in both camps along with similar populations of Kirks (sci-fi geek analogy ends

)

Reality vs Myth is the issue regardless if I am a raving loon about it or if I try to buddha you silly with a feather pillow.

That is as simple as it gets.

excreationist · 06-26-2002, 08:20 AM

Theist Gal:
I think the hijackers' God gave them a *much* bigger miracle - they completely demolished both of the towers! (just like in the OT where God was a God of war) And those firemen just went in there, because it's their job, and they died! I don't see any miracle from the Christian God there.

[ June 26, 2002: Message edited by: excreationist ]

Mad Kally · 06-26-2002, 08:25 AM

Gurdur,
Lighten up before you stroke out..

Secular Elation · 06-26-2002, 08:25 AM

How typical.

HelenM · 06-26-2002, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Panta Pei:
Reality vs Myth is the issue regardless if I am a raving loon about it

It's funny you should mention that because when I first started posting here -

oh never mind

But, back to one of your points

I know that honesty, sincerety and truth aren't exclusively seen among Christians and I also know that not all Christians exemplify those traits either. (Unfortunately, from my p.o.v - meaning, I wish more of them would be better examples of what they say they believe in

)

And back to another - I guess I would say, while we're all trying to prove we're right, how about we be as civil as possible about it?

love
Helen

[ June 26, 2002: Message edited by: HelenSL ]

[ June 26, 2002: Message edited by: HelenSL ]

Panta Pei · 06-26-2002, 08:38 AM

"Lighten up before you stroke out.. "

Mad Kally and Panta Pei make poses

Gurdur...join US

windsofchange · 06-26-2002, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FreeToThink:
I would be curious to know, TheistGal, if you would vote for an atheist political candidate, or in other ways deviate from the theist norm?

Just curious

Thanks

Hi, FreeToThink!

Congratulations - out of ALL the questions I could have answered, I picked yours! Mainly because (a) it's relatively easy and (b) I'm not really in the mood for a fight today.

Anyhoo - the answer to your question is YES. Of course I would vote for an atheist, if he or she was the candidate who best reflected my political views and/or seemed the best alternative to the other candidates for whatever reason. I don't judge anyone solely on the basis of their religious beliefs.

Thanks for asking!

Love,
TG

windsofchange · 06-26-2002, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Panta Pei:
<---- <raises hand> Strong Atheist law enforcement officer right here.

Shall I list my brave deeds to re-re-convert or just make a weight-lifter pose:

Now everyone should be convinced of the benefits of atheism

Mea Culpa, Panta! (and nice photo - hubba hubba!)

Love,
Theistgal

Samhain · 06-26-2002, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gurdur:
Samhain,

I am writing a huge response to al of this, plus an entirely new thread; it will take me time, but I will do it

(plus I'm still writing out a new thread for you and Excreationist, yes)

I see your concerns, I will answer them fully, openly and honestly.

I'm <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=46&t=000743" target="_blank">even taking a long holiday from my favourite sport of beating up people who want to beat other people up in the Political Discussions forum</a> to dedicate myself to this matter, since it strikes to the heart of what SecWeb is, what I would like it to be, what atheism, agnosticism, fideism, pantheism and (oh god the list goes on) are,

so please be patient with me.

[ June 26, 2002: Message edited by: Gurdur ]

Heh, I know how it is, Gurdur, sometimes you must prioritize for posting. I understand and I will patiently await your replies for this thread and the other, as I have thus far. BTW, does the fact that you are posting again mean you're done building your house?

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excreationist Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Australia Posts: 4,886	Theist Gal: I think the hijackers' God gave them a much bigger miracle - they completely demolished both of the towers! (just like in the OT where God was a God of war) And those firemen just went in there, because it's their job, and they died! I don't see any miracle from the Christian God there. [ June 26, 2002: Message edited by: excreationist ]</p>

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06-26-2002, 06:46 AM	#61
FreeToThink Regular Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 167	I would be curious to know, TheistGal, if you would vote for an atheist political candidate, or in other ways deviate from the theist norm? Just curious Thanks

06-26-2002, 07:58 AM	#62
Panta Pei Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: in the middle of things Posts: 722	"One of the reasons I started posting here was in the hope I could persuade atheists (non-theists, maybe I should say; I'm not sure) that they serve their cause better by behaving well, than by not." I will say it to you, my theist friend, as I have said it to atheist proponents of the same position I have run across on this very same board: Truth, honesty and sincerity do not emanate from packaging or marketing. There are vast numbers of Picards in both camps along with similar populations of Kirks (sci-fi geek analogy ends ) Reality vs Myth is the issue regardless if I am a raving loon about it or if I try to buddha you silly with a feather pillow. That is as simple as it gets.

06-26-2002, 08:25 AM	#64
Mad Kally Banned Join Date: May 2001 Location: LALA Land in California Posts: 3,764	Gurdur, Lighten up before you stroke out..

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Secular Elation Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: California Posts: 6,196	How typical.

06-26-2002, 08:38 AM	#67
Panta Pei Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: in the middle of things Posts: 722	"Lighten up before you stroke out.. " Mad Kally and Panta Pei make poses Gurdur...join US

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