jayh

Totally.

So if the whole point of life is to make babies (to be less scientific) then homosexuals disrupt the normal cycle of life.

It's not quite like that. It's not 'the purpose of life' as if there is some profound 'pupose' which must be fulfilled. Animals that succeed in reproduction get their genes passed on, those that don't, don't. In every generation, there are individuals that don't succeed in reproduction for various reasons, health, sterility, lack of opportunity, predators, etc. That is not really problematic. Some may not reproduce because their inclination induces them to bond exclusively with someone of their own gender. That is neither good nor bad, it just is.

One of the ways that we as a species survive is that we have a wide variety of preferences in breeding partners, so not just a few of the 'most desirable' find mates, but so do most others. Because our species develops such a wide range of tastes, it's not surprising that some people's bonding preference may involve member of their own gender, so it may simply be a byproduct of our very successful breeding instincts, and any 'loss' of reproduction is more than made up for by our flexibility in adapting to mates.

But regardless if that's the actual reason for homosexuality or not, we share rich and rewarding bonds in many cases where reproduction is impossible, including people well past the age of menopause, or indeed those who intentionally prevent reproduction. Gay people sharing a loving relationship are no different than these folks.

j

Eagel4Jesus

I do not agree with theistic evolutionists, so I would not include them in my statement. I believe in microevolution, just not macro...

If you just happened to evolve from a lower form of life, how do you have the free will and ability to do more with your life than produce offspring?

My point in stating that homosexuality is unnatural is that homosexuals have no aspirations to create offspring, whereas in your case you wanted to, but could not.

You have to remember that I am basing my argument off of evolutionist/atheistic views, and not my own, and most of your arguments saying that I make no sense is exactly what I am saying. It makes no sense, and therefore your point of view is incorrect.

If the point of life is to make God happy, what God do you worship? If it is the Christian/Jewish God, then making him happy would be going against homosexual rights and therefore I have no problem with you.

I agree that creating offspring is not the "whole point" of life. I was saying that in an atheistic world the point of life is to create offspring. However, I do not live in an atheistic world and therefore there is another point to my life.

Matt

Ensign Steve

Just so there's no confusion, homosexuals are quite capable of reproducing. I have a son. Even lesbians have uteruses (uteri?).

Doubting Didymus

Not again...

Look, can you define these terms?

Ensign Steve

What atheists do you think you are speaking for when you say "an atheistic world the point of life is to create offspring"? I think that's more of a Catholic thing than an atheist thing.

Doubting Didymus

Things dont become true just because you say them twice. Why on earth should an atheists life be about producing children?

While we're here, can you tell me what the naturalistic fallacy is?

Ensign Steve

Oooh! Oooh! I know! It's the one that says since apes have homosexual sex, it's okay for me to do it, too, right?

Daleth

What? Here, I'll demonstrate. That was the demonstration. See how I chose to type those words rather than go try to get knocked up? I can choose to do many many things.

Says who? Lots of homosexuals aspire to have children. Lots do have children.

Wrong. The point of life is whatever the hell we decide it is, and each one of us may have a different answer to that.

OK, bored now.
Dal

Mech Bliss

Then your argument crumbles due to contradiction.

I gave you the definition of the word "natural" and by definition, homosexuality is natural. Case closed.

First, that is one person, and in psychology, that's what one would call a case study, I believe. That is not representative of the whole. Second, in no way were you able to show that those factors caused her homosexuality, and they certainly don't cause everyone to be homosexual either.

Daleth

You get a cookie!

And hey, while we're on that one, doesn't that mean it's OK for us to have sex with apes? Cause apes do, after all. But I have a fever. Never mind me.

Dal