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Old 08-06-2003, 11:04 PM   #81
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thanks a lot guys. much of the commentary in this thread is quite helpful (peter kirby and jobar, among many others).
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what abiut the chronologies of genesis chapters 1 and 2.
The order of the creation of the sun, earth, moon etc. and the animals and man are reversed.
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Indeed.

I have read apology that it is "creation in spirit" versus "creation in flesh"--which apparently requires a god to change his name. Much simpler to recognize two different creation myths.

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A common apologetic answer to that one is that the second creation sequence applies only to subsequent events within the Garden of Eden.

Of course, the Bible doesn't actually state this.
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HA!

Since when did that ever stop a theologian?

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Since when did that ever stop a theologian?

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what abiut the chronologies of genesis chapters 1 and 2.
The order of the creation of the sun, earth, moon etc. and the animals and man are reversed.
Gen 1 is a summary of Creation. It starts with, " In the beginning, God created...."

Gen 2, concentrates on day 6, specifically the creation of humans, but it isn't in Chronological order, where as Gen 1 is. The focus of Gen 2 is to show the purposes God had for man, including having dominion over, and naming the animals. There was no need to mention the animals first in Gen 2, since Adam needed to be assigned a task involving them first ( naming them).
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Indeed.

I have read apology that it is "creation in spirit" versus "creation in flesh"--which apparently requires a god to change his name. Much simpler to recognize two different creation myths.

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Gen 1 is "God said" is first cause that created the essence of existence and after this essence Lord God formed that which God created.

This same happens in our conscious mind which can be tied down in our subconscious mind to be formed in our genes.

The third cause is our ego that was created in Gen.3 because it modifies 'Gods' thinking and if we don't do it right Mary of the RNA will give us a headache-- if nothing else.
 
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Except that god "cuts" the heavens from the earth--more reliable translation of the word. This is not creation, it is reordering.

That and we have more than one god--El, YHWH--depending on which creation myth one is in.

Two myths brought together.

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Except that god "cuts" the heavens from the earth--more reliable translation of the word. This is not creation, it is reordering.

That and we have more than one god--El, YHWH--depending on which creation myth one is in.

Two myths brought together.

--J.D.
Elohim and YHWH are the same thing, as is Jehovah.
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