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As a bi male, I honestly can't understand why anyone would prefer one gender to the complete and total exclusion of the other. I'm not saying that monosexuality is "bad" or "inferior", I just don't get it. But then again, it's all about "what you see depends on where you sit", I suppose. *shrug*

Basically, it all comes down to "eww, yucky, not for me, let's ban it". It requires openmindedness to understand that not everyone is gonna do the spouse and kids thing. That is why GLBT* relationships are considered ALTERNATE lifestyles.

Insofar as what B. H. Manners wrote, that's spot on right there. Perfect.

Want more info? http://www.bi.org

*GLBT means Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgendered - in short, if you ain't het, you're in the GLBT crowd.

Pee Pee Poodle

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Selsaral

It has nothing to do with any kind of conscious choice. As a straight male, I simply have no choice in the matter. The thought of kissing a man makes me want to throw up (seriously), but the thought of kissing a (pretty) woman: schwaaaaping! Seeing two men kissing is similar: nasty. Seeing a man and woman kissing? Good pr0n. Seeing two women kissing? Better pr0n.

I think a lot of straight men have the same kind of disgust with the concept of homosexuality. Let me be clear, I am the opposite of a homophobe, I support the rights of homosexuals to a great degree. But i simply have no choice in my own sexual preference, and I have no ability to control my reaction to witnessing homosexual activity. This is the foundation of my tolerant outlook on this subject: humans cannot control or decide their sexual preferences. Homosexuals aren't straight men that all of the sudden, for no reason, decided to get with a man. Something got switched around (biologically) that altered sexual preference.

I think the root causes for homophobia is this same feeling that I experience; disgust. Unfortunately, some people can't accept that just because they themselves find it disgusting it should have absolutely no effect on others, especially when that behavior in no way affects the rest of us. The homophobes need to just chill out. I'd much prefer to just look away or think about something else than get really offended and mess with people.

And I find the opinion of homophobes on lesbian women to show a serious hypocracy in their viewpoint. All the arguments of 'unnatural' or 'biologically incompatible' seem to just fade away and make special leniancy for homosexual women. Extremely cheesy.

Psycho Economist

I'm going to have to take issue with you here. Recent interpreters of evidence contend that the proscriptions against homosexuality don't have as much to do with sex as religion. Most of the gay sex going on in the Judean hill country at the time of the Old Testament was in the form of ritual prostitution to Cannanite deities. Especially in the context of where the passages condemning homosexual intercourse occur (dealing with greater "cultural" purity), it was probably put in the folder of purging Cannanite religious practices within the Judahite culture.

Despite what Genesis and Exodus say, evidence indicates that Judahites and Israelites were ethnically Cannanite... they just couldn't bear the thought.

Also, while Onan was smited for thwarting an order to impregnate his half-sister (whether by prior masturbation or coitus interuptus is unclear), there is no blanket proscription against masturbation. Though anyone who ejaculates must wait until clean before performing religious ceremonies.

More generally: and I wish I had my old roommate's notes for this one, but as standard of living goes down (at least today), the more likely one is to make the leap of "that which is personally disgusting is somehow immoral."

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It has nothing to do with any kind of conscious choice. As a straight male, I simply have no choice in the matter. The thought of kissing a man makes me want to throw up (seriously), but the thought of kissing a (pretty) woman: schwaaaaping! Seeing two men kissing is similar: nasty. Seeing a man and woman kissing? Good pr0n. Seeing two women kissing? Better pr0n.

Good point, Selsaral. I'm glad you responded. Let me make one thing clear: I do not, nor did I ever, intend to imply that sexuality is chosen. It's just there. It's just that *I* cannot understand monosexuality, as it's simply not a part of me. I suppose it's just a perspective thing.

I think a lot of straight men have the same kind of disgust with the concept of homosexuality. Let me be clear, I am the opposite of a homophobe, I support the rights of homosexuals to a great degree. But i simply have no choice in my own sexual preference, and I have no ability to control my reaction to witnessing homosexual activity. This is the foundation of my tolerant outlook on this subject: humans cannot control or decide their sexual preferences. Homosexuals aren't straight men that all of the sudden, for no reason, decided to get with a man. Something got switched around (biologically) that altered sexual preference.

Hunh. I'm glad to hear of your tolerant attitude. What arouses you may disgust someone else, IOW. You respect my feelings; I'll respect yours is probably the best deal there is.

hink the root causes for homophobia is this same feeling that I experience; disgust. Unfortunately, some people can't accept that just because they themselves find it disgusting it should have absolutely no effect on others, especially when that behavior in no way affects the rest of us. The homophobes need to just chill out. I'd much prefer to just look away or think about something else than get really offended and mess with people.

Now that says it all right there. One man's meat (no pun intended ) is another man's poison.

Your point on lesbians is well taken. A question for the hetero/bifemales here - do you find the thought of two men pleasuring each other to be sexy? Just a thought.

Selsaral

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Good point, Selsaral. I'm glad you responded. Let me make one thing clear: I do not, nor did I ever, intend to imply that sexuality is chosen. It's just there. It's just that *I* cannot understand monosexuality, as it's simply not a part of me. I suppose it's just a perspective thing.

I think I knew that's what you meant, but I wanted to stress the point. The vast majority of people who argue about the evils of homosexuality invariably see it as a conscious choice. When you see that it is entirely the opposite, you must change your outlook, and I'd like to see more of that happen.


Now that says it all right there. One man's meat (no pun intended ) is another man's poison.

Your point on lesbians is well taken. A question for the hetero/bifemales here - do you find the thought of two men pleasuring each other to be sexy? Just a thought.

Yeah I'm interested in this too. The strange disgust heterosexual men feel towards homsexual men and the strange attraction they feel for homosexual woman defies logic. It's so deeply ingranied however I see it as just another human behavior conditioned by natural selection (for whatever reason). Does it go both ways? Do hetero women find homo women disgusting? Do they find homo men erotic?

crab juice

Yes, oh yes. The thought of, say, Jude Law and Ewan McGregor making out and more makes my heart race.

I'll agree with the posters who felt that homophobia was mostly an issue of dominance. After all, [tongue firmly in cheek], aren't men supposed to be the fuckers and women the fuckees? If a man is more of a fuckee than a fucker, isn't he less of a man[/tongue in cheek]?

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As does mine, although I'd prefer either Jeff Stryker or Jenna Jameson. HOOOAH!

Naw, it just means that he and I have a lot in common.

That reminds me of a little saying I have, "If you can pleasure me and make me feel good, should I care whether you are Patrick or Patricia?". I don't know who originally said that, but I agree completely.

never been there

If I couldn't distinguish between personal disgust and morality, I'd be campaigning for the execution of everyone who eats Cheez Whiz!

Less flippantly, I've tried following the argument that giving governmental recognition to homosexual unions weakens heterosexual marriage to its logical conclusion. First, why should a same-sex marriage discourage me from marrying my partner? Wouldn't every happy couple I meet encourage me to follow their example? However, many heterosexuals, like ourselves, live together common-law, with company benefits, life insurance, co-ownership of property, social recognition, etc. all but equal to married couples. And very much the same as many same-sex couples have managed to establish for themselves.

It seems that there is room for concern (among those inclined to be concerned) that heterosexuals are losing interest in marriage. What can marriage offer me that's special? Answer: homosexuals are excluded! Yep, that's the only remaining reason to marry - you get to join a club, like Mensa, like an old-style country club, where the sole value of membership is the knowledge that someone else can't get in!

I don't join clubs like that.

ju'iblex

Speaking as a lesbian, i prefer seeing male/male sex to hetero sex. This is despite the fact i really dont like male genitalia. But im a strange case. I just cant get over the idea of hetero sex, it doesnt seem right to me. And i believe the dominance issue is a strong part of that. I have grown up believing in total and absolute equality, and perhaps i associate hetero sex as upsetting the 'balance' so to speak. Although completely unintentional obviously.