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critical thinking made ez · 01-01-2002, 11:18 PM

Hey, congratulation Wizardry on becoming the new Moderator on MRD.

Back to the discussion. So far no one has answered the original question. Was it too hard? or we just accept that it is the truth and all go home? A warm bed does sound good. Good night all.

01-02-2002, 08:48 AM

Back to the discussion. So far no one has answered the original question. Was it too hard? or we just accept that it is the truth and all go home? A warm bed does sound good. Good night all.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Maybe it was to stupid.

critical thinking made ez · 01-02-2002, 02:28 PM

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Maybe it was to stupid.

Finally, something that makes sense from Amos. This I can work with....

Yes, I have to agree, most concepts that are found in the Bible are stupid, but there are those out there that still believe this stuff. Go figure.

PS. I think this is Amos' first post that any of us can understand. Way to Go Amos! Keep it up!

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spurly · 03-31-2003, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by critical thinking made ez
Did the problem between God and Satan happen before man was created?
Did God imprison Satan on Earth before man was created?

Then why did God put his new creation (man) on the same planet (prison) with Satan?

Would you put someone you loved, next door with such evil? Not if you loved them. What’s your god’s reason for such stupidity or evil action?

This is a good question, I'm glad you asked. Some people believe the conflict happened after the creation of man. Because Satan was the Accuser, many people believe that one of his jobs was to go around creation and find anything wrong to report to God. He had a difficult time doing this, because the creation was perfect. That's when he decided to rebel against God.

Others believe that the conflict took place long before mankind was created. The truth is, we don't know when the conflict took place.

Why was Satan put on the same planet as the man and woman who God wanted to have a relationship of love with? Again, like i mention in so many of my other posts, it all comes down to a matter of God creating us with free will. We were given a choice in the very beginning. Follow God, or be deluded by Satan. Love God, or walk away from him. Without something to choose between, we would have no choice.

Kevin

Demigawd · 03-31-2003, 05:22 PM

The ability to "resurrect" dead threads does not add any validity to the Christian resurrection myth.

spurly · 03-31-2003, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by Demigawd
The ability to "resurrect" dead threads does not add any validity to the Christian resurrection myth.

Truly funny. By the way, I am just checking out conversations that happened before my arrival. I am only commenting on a few of them.

Kevin

Queen of Swords · 03-31-2003, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by spurly
Why was Satan put on the same planet as the man and woman who God wanted to have a relationship of love with? Again, like i mention in so many of my other posts, it all comes down to a matter of God creating us with free will.

If God likes free will so much, did he give it to the angels? If not, why not? If so, what tempted them?

We were given a choice in the very beginning. Follow God, or be deluded by Satan. Love God, or walk away from him. Without something to choose between, we would have no choice.

Without the knowledge of good and evil, we would not have been able to make the correct choice, and Adam and Eve only gained that knowledge after they ate the fruit.

Magus55 · 03-31-2003, 09:39 PM

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If God likes free will so much, did he give it to the angels? If not, why not? If so, what tempted them?

Yes the angels have free will. My guess to what tempted Lucifer was God's power and authority. Satan wanted people to follow him so He tried to overthrow God by rebelling and some Angels chose to follow him. Pride and Envy is what made Satan fall.

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Without the knowledge of good and evil, we would not have been able to make the correct choice, and Adam and Eve only gained that knowledge after they ate the fruit.

You don't need knowledge of Good and evil to understand, Tree bad, eat from it and die. Who knows, maybe God gave them that knowledge. Satan said eating from the tree would make them like God, meaning they would have all knowledge. Nothing says they didn't have some knowledge, because they had to have known the tree was off limits since God told them so.

Queen of Swords · 03-31-2003, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by Magus55
Yes the angels have free will.

So if God made creatures with free will and they rebelled, why did he think making humans with free will would work any better?

Pride and Envy is what made Satan fall.

In that case, why couldn't god just leave Adam and Eve to experience pride and envy? Why did he have to plant a forbidden tree and let the serpent into the garden on top of it?

You don't need knowledge of Good and evil to understand, Tree bad, eat from it and die.

You need the knowledge of what "bad" is and what "death" is, and whether those two are evil or good.

Who knows, maybe God gave them that knowledge.

Who knows, maybe you're just making that up and haven't any support for it, biblical or otherwise.

Satan said eating from the tree would make them like God, meaning they would have all knowledge. Nothing says they didn't have some knowledge, because they had to have known the tree was off limits since God told them so.

But did they know that disobeying God was evil? No, because they hadn't eaten the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil yet.

Oolon Colluphid · 04-01-2003, 01:47 AM

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Originally posted by Magus55
Yes the angels have free will.

Whuh...? Angels?! Where?!

What frigging angels?

Seems this thread's not having a resurgence, but rather, lysergic...

DT

03-31-2003, 09:20 PM	#37
Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	Re: Re: Question for Christians Originally posted by spurly Why was Satan put on the same planet as the man and woman who God wanted to have a relationship of love with? Again, like i mention in so many of my other posts, it all comes down to a matter of God creating us with free will. If God likes free will so much, did he give it to the angels? If not, why not? If so, what tempted them? We were given a choice in the very beginning. Follow God, or be deluded by Satan. Love God, or walk away from him. Without something to choose between, we would have no choice. Without the knowledge of good and evil, we would not have been able to make the correct choice, and Adam and Eve only gained that knowledge after they ate the fruit.

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01-01-2002, 11:18 PM	#31
critical thinking made ez Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 536	Hey, congratulation Wizardry on becoming the new Moderator on MRD. Back to the discussion. So far no one has answered the original question. Was it too hard? or we just accept that it is the truth and all go home? A warm bed does sound good. Good night all.

01-02-2002, 08:48 AM	#32
Amos Guest Posts: n/a	Back to the discussion. So far no one has answered the original question. Was it too hard? or we just accept that it is the truth and all go home? A warm bed does sound good. Good night all.[/QB][/QUOTE] Maybe it was to stupid.

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Demigawd Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: On a sailing ship to nowhere, leaving any place Posts: 2,254	The ability to "resurrect" dead threads does not add any validity to the Christian resurrection myth.

03-31-2003, 10:12 PM	#39
Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	Originally posted by Magus55 Yes the angels have free will. So if God made creatures with free will and they rebelled, why did he think making humans with free will would work any better? Pride and Envy is what made Satan fall. In that case, why couldn't god just leave Adam and Eve to experience pride and envy? Why did he have to plant a forbidden tree and let the serpent into the garden on top of it? You don't need knowledge of Good and evil to understand, Tree bad, eat from it and die. You need the knowledge of what "bad" is and what "death" is, and whether those two are evil or good. Who knows, maybe God gave them that knowledge. Who knows, maybe you're just making that up and haven't any support for it, biblical or otherwise. Satan said eating from the tree would make them like God, meaning they would have all knowledge. Nothing says they didn't have some knowledge, because they had to have known the tree was off limits since God told them so. But did they know that disobeying God was evil? No, because they hadn't eaten the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil yet.

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