Gooch's dad

HoosierGuy had better not have skedaddled. I got him to sign on to the SecWeb expressly for the purpose of a 1 on 1 debate with ME. The agreed-upon subject is "Age of the Earth" and Joel is a Young Earth creationist. He'll try to foist that Baumgardner computer modeling shite off as sound science, of course

So, Joel, where are you? The moderators said they wanted you to get your feet wet here first. Still up for that debate? When do you want to start? I think this weekend could be an ideal time. Ready to rock?

-Kelly

Starboy

Hi Doug,

My comments were not directed at you specifically, but you will do. Perhaps you are an impossibility, a rational Christian. Could you answer these questions for me?

If you are confronted with a sequence of events for which there are several explanations some of which are natural or rational and the balance of the explanations require supernatural causes, why would a rational person choose a supernatural explanation? Even in the case where there are no natural or rational explanations, why not just withhold judgment until the matter can be explained naturally, or just leave it as unresolved? Why is it rational to accept any kind of a supernatural explanation, unless you are stuck mentally in the 1st century?

If you do accept supernatural explanations then where do you draw the line? Do angels create the characters that appear on your computer monitor? Are TV pet psychics real? Do vampires really exist? Just how reality challenged are you?

Starboy

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Douglas J. Bender

StarBoy,

Hooo-eeee, we got a live one here, Jeb. He thinks I might be a rational Christian. Heh heh - ain't he a goober?

Yes, I could.

In Christ,

Douglas

Starboy

Thanks Doug for illustrating my point exactly.

Starboy

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Kosh

We can fix that. Dougie, why don't you recount for him your stories of the demon dancing on the roof that you prayed away, or the guy that transformed into a demon right in front of your eyes?

Douglas J. Bender

StarBoy,

And how did I do that? By pointing out your extreme stereotyping and judgment of all Christians? Besides, I wasn't finished.


In Christ,

Douglas

Douglas J. Bender

I'm tired of telling the story right now. You tell him.

What guy was that, and when did that happen? And please, let me in on any other supernatural events that happened to me that I am not aware of.


In Christ,

Douglas

Kosh

Here some of Dougies other demon references:

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posted May 20, 2002 04:47 AM

God Himself cast a demon out of me while I was alone and driving and atheist (a "Saul on the road to Damascus"-type of experience); God the Father said of me, "My student"; God has spoken to me slightly more than 10 times since I was saved in 1989

posted May 25, 2002 04:56 AM

There was ONE demon, which would manifest by making walking sounds on the roof at various times of the day, and at various places. One night, I bowed my head in prayer to God that God would get rid of the demon, and the demon "hot-footed" it to a corner of the house, and the walking sounds ceased, and never returned.

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I'm unable to locate the other one, but I specifically remember you claiming that you once saw some guy on the street (I think you said you were preaching?) and you watched has his face turned to a demon.

I don't have much time to search for the post though. But why shouldn't you take my word for it? You expect people to believe in Jesus' resurrection based on similar testimony.

Starboy

Doug,

You have yet to address one of my questions. Your responses are vacuous and pointless. You have yet to demonstrate the rudiments of reason. You could be the poster boy for Christian idiocy!

Starboy

Douglas J. Bender

Kosh,

You happen to be absolutely mistaken about this, Kosh. I have had some cases where I have been witnessing to someone ("on the street", or in the mall, or wherever [I'm not, and never have been, a "street preacher", though once I stood outside for 3 hours and handed out tracts]), and perceived a demonic influence come over them, manifested especially in their facial features (an especially evil and malevolent look, for example), but I've never claimed to have seen anyone's face "turn into a demon". Get your facts straight, Kosh - you're embarassing yourself.

In Christ,

Douglas