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Leah · 07-29-2003, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by Milton

So, you might want to join us, because you are not a Jew, so you won't have to worry about having an after-life, because you won't have one.

ha ha ha, I'm safe then I guess. For being a Jew goes throught the birth line, right.
WOW! I'm a nonbeliever Jew, challenged god's sadism , then, right ??

emotional · 07-29-2003, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by Milton
Although it is not plainly put, I have to disagree with you, and say that the Hebrew Scriptures do imply some form of spiritual being or life. Samuel is an example of a spirit being, previously human being, who was contacted after death.

The story states that Samuel was called up by Saul. And it was Samuel himself who came up.

That is correct, I overlooked it. And there is also one man who is reported not to have died at all: Elijah, who went up to heaven in a chariot of fire. But the Hebrew Bible doesn't make such heavy weather of the afterlife as the Greek Bible (NT) does. Rewards and punishments in the OT refer to consequences in this life.

Milton · 07-29-2003, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by emotional

That is correct, I overlooked it. And there is also one man who is reported not to have died at all: Elijah, who went up to heaven in a chariot of fire. But the Hebrew Bible doesn't make such heavy weather of the afterlife as the Greek Bible (NT) does. Rewards and punishments in the OT refer to consequences in this life. [/B]

Yes and no, to the part about rewards and punishment. According to Job, God seems to judge even those who die without proper punishment in this life. I mean, the whole argument of Job, when debating his companions, is that God does not punish the unjust, because they die without seeing an evil day (punishment for their misdeeds). But that is not the truth about everything. The kid, Eliyahu, argues that there is indeed justice for all. And if you look at the way in which both Eliyahu (and God) speaks of the difference between God and man, and how man does not know the beginning of what really goes on, you can easily make the argument that this life is not the end of all, but merely the beginning of it.

Milton · 07-29-2003, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by Leah
ha ha ha, I'm safe then I guess. For being a Jew goes throught the birth line, right.
WOW! I'm a nonbeliever Jew, challenged god's sadism , then, right ??

What?

mark9950 · 08-11-2003, 10:23 PM

The greek god like I do.

I just kneel down and talk to one greek god ares instead of the christian god jesus.

I worship ares because he is a god of war,I stopped worshipping jesus because he was gay.

Magic Primate · 08-14-2003, 06:17 AM

In Old Kindom Ancient Egypt, only the Pharaoh (already semi-divine) was thought to achieve immortality. BTW: Their ancient ancestors actually dismembered the dead rather than preserved them - this might have been due to a fear of the dead returning to haunt them and the later obsession with preservation through magic and mummification may even have been a reaction against that especially when you consider the number of spells in the Pyramid texts for protection against decapitation and dismemberment.

08-11-2003, 10:23 PM	#25
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	You could try worshipping The greek god like I do. I just kneel down and talk to one greek god ares instead of the christian god jesus. I worship ares because he is a god of war,I stopped worshipping jesus because he was gay.

08-14-2003, 06:17 AM	#26
Magic Primate Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 1,134	Re: You could try worshipping In Old Kindom Ancient Egypt, only the Pharaoh (already semi-divine) was thought to achieve immortality. BTW: Their ancient ancestors actually dismembered the dead rather than preserved them - this might have been due to a fear of the dead returning to haunt them and the later obsession with preservation through magic and mummification may even have been a reaction against that especially when you consider the number of spells in the Pyramid texts for protection against decapitation and dismemberment.

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