Haran

I suppose. It seems that snippets might be ok via fair-use laws, though... Perhaps the footnotes would be of use. I'll have to see if I can find one of them.

So, you're speculating that this "great scholar" had a "hatred" of his former teacher that led him to possibly slander Smith for vengeful purposes (what are they?) ? And you think I have a "whipped-cream pie"??

demoninho

Me, me

Peter Kirby

Red herring. Yuri refers to the scholars who examined the palaeography of the text, for whom the photographs would be the primary data. Reaching a palaeographical decision shouldn't depend in any way on the commentary that Morton Smith wrote in the chapters of his book; indeed, that could even be considered a distraction.

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Peter Kirby

Peter Kirby

If you do find the article, it wouldn't hurt to attempt to contact the author and the journal, preferrably in that order.

It's pretty clear from his writing that Neusner is a great scholar and has an animus against Smith. This would be true regardless of whether the Mar Saba fragment is authentic and regardless of whether Neusner had evidence for forgery.

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Peter Kirby

Vorkosigan

Vinnie -- I am not ignoring you, but I didn't want to hijack this thread. We'll talk soon.

Vorkosigan

Haran

Ooops. I think you're right. The section dealing with Smith's vagueness on the paleography is section I. B.

Haran

You're right, although the journal may contact the author for you, which is the case for my posting of the CBQ article.

Unless the person who spoke up and knows Dutch wants to obtain all the permissions, translate the article, and post it on the web (which is probably too much to ask), then the point is probably moot. It would be an interesting read though. Too bad it's not in English as well.

Peter Kirby

Not moot at all. First of all, I volunteer to convert it to HTML and place it on the web. That's easy. Your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to locate the article in a library or by interlibrary loan, contact the journal for copyright permissions, and scan the article into images. You then zip up the images and electronically send them to the Dutch-English translator. You get back the English translation in some form, and pass it off to me for publishing on the web.

So, this could happen.

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Peter Kirby

Haran

Ok. Well, let me see if I can find either of the journals then. The libraries have many specialized and foreign ones, but I'm not sure they'll have these. I'll get back to you on this.

Haran

For those interested in who Edward Hobbs is (the scholar who talks at length about Smith and SGM as a forgery in the link IM posted), he has served as President of the Society of Biblical Literature (SBL) among other things:

Edward C. Hobbs

I think more good scholars doubt the authenticity of SGM than some want to believe. I think that Vinnie's recent reading of Koester may have influenced him toward authenticity (since, according to Hobbs, Koester was always a "fan" of Smith's).