leonarde

Posted by Bubba: That's just it though: do you really think that
a Langan, or a William Dembski, or anyone who is
serious about origins would look at the abuse evident on page 1 of this thread (and it---the abuse----is evident in many, many threads both
here and in the archives of II-----note Bubba: I
have a FEW more posts here than you do-----)and
conclude: "Hmmm, looks like a bunch of fair-minded
types"?????? Only if they think that "Jerry Springer" is a thoughtful talk show.

The post under Bubba's in which Vanderzyden is called a "liar" is just a symptom of the problem.
Evidently differences of opinion on religion(s), origins, what-have-you are reason to call people
"morons", "idiots" and "liars". Perhaps you don't
think that anyone undecided reads these queues.
But what if they did? Do you really think that the
anti-intellectualism so evident on page 1 of this
thread would even remotely convince anyone that Langan was wrong???? Au contraire! When people see
a group verbally out of control they, perhaps unconsciously, conclude that what they have to say
is compromised (at best!).

You take it, Bubba, that I am "defending" Langan.
I understand myself to be defending reasoned discourse. Sometimes I have found that possible at
II. But when these let's-look-at-another-message-
board threads are underway, even the pretense of
fairmindness is thrown away.

Cheers!

pz

Then by all means start a new thread which is not a "let's-look-at-another-message-board" thread. I've urged you several times now to actually discuss something of substance, other than just complaining, complaining, complaining. Are you going to take that suggestion?

Principia

I completely agree.

It's the same ol' tired refrain from leonarde. And what is the deal with Lenny's obsession about how many posts he has dealt out? Judging from this thread alone, he has racked up half a dozen posts. Now just imagine *all* of them being of the same, absent-minded whining and substanceless droning... (last count for len: 3400+ posts in a little over a year!!! Add the 800+ posts here at Infidels... that translates to what, 11-12 posts a day? every single day?)

Of course, leonard is here trying to defend his home turf. But, his pleas of please-don't-mock-us variety is a bit hypocritical. Let's for instance, take a look at <a href="http://www.arn.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=16;t=000354" target="_blank">this thread</a>. Where, of course, just recently, the links to this very thread and to a PM conversation were erased. "Anti-intellectualism?" What about having a post-record of which the majority is spent in a forum called 'Humo(u)r' ???

lenny likes to make this plea to the mysterious 'undecided' lurkers. Perhaps he would like to try his case over at his home site, where Langan single-handedly has done more damage to ID than this site will ever do. No, please, spare us the pseudo-psychologizing. Infidels has no responsibility to provide an education to lurkers. That is the goal of our educational system. If you're here askiing simple questions about evolution and simultaneously misrepresenting it for some religious cause, then you deserve whatever contempt comes your way.

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Happy Wonderer

So you are saying that Mr Langan is incapacitated? He does ramble a bit, but I don't think I'd go as far as to say he was completely non compos mentos.

Thanks for the legal advice, but for some reason I trust my attorney more than I do you. Of course, your advice has the advantage of being cheaper!

[public service]
Since this is completely off-topic I'll leave it here, but I will reiterate for the lurkers that you really must spend a few bucks and get a will, durable power of attorney, and living will (if applicable). Do it today! (It is really not that expensive for the average case.) It makes life a lot easier on your loved ones in case you get knocked on the head. Reasonable people can disagree about what your wishes would be, make them explicit. (It will at least spare you a lecture should you happen to visit an attorney for another matter!)
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HW

DrLao

So what? Why do you care what Billy D, CL, or anyone else thinks about the posts here?

Principia

This is a good question. After all, in ARN's entire 2 to 3 year history, Dumbski has paid them a visit, what maybe 4 times? And despite the wealth of information provided by the critics there, he managed AFAIK only one citation in his books. Also each time, he comes to ARN only to flame someone (including, his own IDiots). As to Superbrains, well, what he does is self-evident to anyone -- let's just say he runs his own Jerry Springer show, complete with stage hands. So, why would anyone care to have those two participate in our forums, when they have their own forts to defend (e.g. ISCID or Megafoundation).

The truth of the matter is that even in the real world (i.e. outside of Internet forums), these two have not received any better audiences. Take a look at Orr's recent trashing in Boston review (anybody got a link?), for instance. Superbrains is determined to cower behind the Net unfortunately to defend his work, so he is spared the realities of peer-review for the time being. But, like all megalomaniacs, chances are his theory will fade into oblivion.

Let's have those mysterious 'undecided' lurkers chew on that tasty morsel.

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RufusAtticus

Sorry guys.

This thread isn't going anywhere. In order to stop a row before it can begin I am locking this thread.

If anyone can think of a reason to keep it open pm me or another mod and we'll look into it.