beyelzu

zar said
Not a peep of "It's not fair" is heard when we kill thousands of innocents and fuck around with other people's countries.

first please prove that we the us kill thousands of innocents. and collateral damage is not proof. in war collateral damage happens on both sides. then, i ask you when do we fuck with other people's countries? the usa acts in its best interests as all countries should. if we exercise our political power, then good. the world should be happy that generally we do not choose to exercise our military power. as i have said before and will say again. compared to any other world power or empire at any time in the history of the world, america comes out ahead when it comes to being conservative in the use of its power. arguing that america shouldnt protect her own interests makes no sense. ethical egotism for governments.

Derec

Black and female colleges should be closed except for ones that are funded privately in its entirety. They do promote racism and sexism, but black racism is never or very rarely acknowledged (as is female sexism).

When Morris Brown in Atlanta lost its acreditation a mother of a student said that that she wanted a college where her child was "tought by blacks and interacted with black administrators". If a white person said something like that they would be called a klaner, but it seems to be perfectly acceptable for blacks ...

UMoC

beyelzu

uglymanoncampus,

sometimes i am amazed what blacks can get away with.

but i think that we should hold these colleges to the same standards that we hold others. you know they should have quotas reflecting population and have affirmative action to bring qualified white applicants in.

Derec

What I mean is, that since these schools practice racial discrimination their federal and other public funding should be revoked much like Bob Jones' University federal funding was revoked (I don;t agree with their policy neither)

Or imagine a "historically white college" such as UGA discriminating against blacks in admissions.

UMoC

Gurdur

You seriously mean we ignorant benighted heathen foreigners should be grateful that the USA simply doesn't bomb the shit out of us every time a Prez has re-election problems, or has a trade dispute with the EU ?



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Gurdur

Your claim is unsubstantiated, as per sexism especially.

There has been solid, confirmed research to show that female students aged 15 to 18 do better in mathematics, physics and chemistry when in all-female classes.

Your take on this ? Hopefully non-rhetorical.

beyelzu

gurdur, i am pointing out that the us generally shows restraint. and zar acts like we just go around killing people for no reason. i dont think we should just go out and kill everybody. but we should act in our own best interest.

also, studies also show that males do better in all male learning environments.

i think all colleges should entirely omit the question of race from all applications. let the chips fall where they may. if they have no information on race then there can be no racial bias.

August Spies

Is this really a basis for foreign policy? If our goal is just to do whats in our best interest how does that make us different from any other country (or even Nazi Germany for that matter?)

also, do we use our military a lot? can you name another country that even comes close to the amount of money, arms and forces we have used in coups, assasinations, crushing of revolts etc...?

Loren Pechtel

Flawed argument.

Money the corporation pays out as wages to it's employees is *NOT* taxed at the corporate level, only at the individual level. However, dividends are taxed *BOTH* at the corporate and individual level.

managalar

Then I jumped in and pointed out how the idea of choice was an illusion, and that the use of �forced into it� was equally ridiculous. It likened it to saying your parents forced you into existence, or you are forced to stay alive.

No there isn�t. Besides not wanting to get into semantics, a tax is very much like a fee because you pay for something. UglyManOnCampus likened taxes to an insurance premium, which you have to pay for. Then MortalWombat objected, suggesting that the analogy wasn�t fair, because you don�t have a �choice� about it. So, UglyMan retorted, supplying an example of a fee which you don�t have a choice in. AugustSpies then chimed in, saying that he really did have a choice about the fee, because he could choose what university you go to, and that the fees are just part of the tuition. My objection was - some things in life, we really don�t have a choice in, like school (example I provided), or healthcare (like UglyMan provided).

Oh contraire, you can escape anything and everything, if you so desire. Just because you don�t like your choices, doesn�t mean you don�t have any.

Yeah, I know there is a difference. It would be easier if we were talking about recreational fees, where you pay a fee for a particular gym, spa, ski resort, or movie. Educational fees are not really voluntary, just like health care fees and taxes. The choices you have are between responsibility to our society, and not being a part of our society (hiding, dieing, moving away ect.)�and I think its important to understand the similarities UglyMan first brought up, and I agreed with.