Hawkingfan

Because the two gods are mutually exclusive. God sends Muslims to hell. Allah does the same for Christians.

Hawkingfan

Yes, Zeus was one of many. But how do you know that is not the case. How do you know Greek myths are bull, but assume the J/C myths are not? There is the same exact "evidence" for the truth to both myths-- nothing. One could argue logically for the truth to both.

stretch

uh ... according to whom?

If God exists, what he decides to do is up to him .... but 'standard' christian theology does not indicate that muslims or atheists or buddhists or catholics or sikhs go to hell. My knowledge of muslim theology is fairly limited ....

From a philosophical/logical perspective, it is not possible to have two infinite yet mutually exclusive beings.

stretch

Unfortunatley, many things in this world are observationally equivalent.

It seems to me that polytheism is less compatible with basic 'first cause' arguments (which in and of themselves are not evidence that God exists, but are not completely unconvincing).

Anyway, what are these logical arguments for the truth to both?

Hawkingfan

Please consider what a Muslim once posted here at II:

"The Koran was revealed from ALLAH this is why so many scientific facts are contained in it's text.

Christians who worship Jesus as God (which is the vast majority of Christians) will be sent to Hell. The question is why are all these people sent to Hell?

"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the afterlife he will be among the lost." (Surat Aal Imraan 3:85)

"Those who reject faith and deny our signs will be companions of Hell-fire." (Al-maidah 5:10)

"They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of ALLAH, and (they take as their Lord) christ, the son of mary; yet they were commanded to worship but one god: there is no god but one god: there is no god but he. Praise and glory to Him: (far is he) from having the partners they associate(with him). (At-Touba 9:31)

They will go to hell for making false statements about ALLAH and disobeying the creator. Disbelief, associating partners, sons, gods...etc. with ALLAH is why most men\women will go to HELL.

As the Koran states; "Those who reject our signs,we shall soon cast into the fire; as often as their skins are roasted through, we shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for ALLAH is exalted in power, wise." (al-nisaa 4:56)

[If one's skin was changed over after being burnt, there would be no way to become used to the flames.]

PLEASE READ THE Koran AND BY ALLAH'S WILL BECOME ONE OF THE GUIDED."

Ad Hoc, and begs the question, also somewhat of a circular argument.
There is no "standard" christian theology. Therefore, it's no surprise why there are so many different Christian denominations. The bible is unclear about anything definite on the answer. So in that respect, you are right. But I was a member of the Church of Christ for over 20 years and that is exactly what we were taught and preached to others-- the ONLY way to get to heaven is through Christ. So that excludes any other religion from heaven.
I agree. Which is why the two religions cannot both be right, yet we are given the same "evidence" to believe in them both.

Hawkingfan

I'm sure you are familiar with the logical arguments for the J/C god.

One could argue that the Greek myths are more in tune with reality because every contradicting quality associated with a god is explained. When "god" acts with evil intent, or is unforgiving, or is hateful, acts irrationally, is arbitrarily partial or impartial...it is explained as an entirely different god than the one who is completely benevolent, "loving" god(s). But with one, single omnibenevolent, omnipotent god, the contradictions do not always make sense because he cannot have those certain "bad" qualities. Also, one could argue that it is more reasonable to believe in a god that is not omnipotent because of various "imperfections" in the universe. And therefore, that imperfect god would have needed help in creating such a vast universe. Basically, the argument would be that the more vast and "awesome" the finished product, the less likely one person was behind it.

stretch

Well, if an infinite single God exists, it is up to him and neither you nor I get a say in it ....

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There is no "standard" christian theology. Therefore, it's no surprise why there are so many different Christian denominations. The bible is unclear about anything definite on the answer. So in that respect, you are right. But I was a member of the Church of Christ for over 20 years and that is exactly what we were taught and preached to others-- the ONLY way to get to heaven is through Christ. So that excludes any other religion from heaven.

True, there are many denominations with contradictory interpretations/teachings. I'm just using orthodox Catholic theology as the standard. (uh ... that's supposed to be kind of funny .... )

I won't comment on the Muslim theology because (i) I know very little about it (I know a bit about medievel Islamic philosophy, but very little about Muslim theology and the debates within it) and (ii) I have no idea how typical that poster's interpretation of Muslim theology is.

All teachings of either of the religions cannot both be right ... but that does not imply that the God referred to by both religions is not the same one.

Hawkingfan

Non-sequitor. And you have no way of knowing this.
It does not make logical sense for the same, single, omnipotent god to tell his followers in one book that they will go to hell for not believing in his son, and to tell other followers in a different book that they will. It also does not logically make sense for the same, single, omnipotent god to tell his followers of one religion to kill followers of the other (the Koran says to kill Christians and Jews, don't have the exact verse but I believe the Hagee site has it).

stretch

Makes a certain amount of sense ...

These are probably just subjective 'tastes', but a single first cause kind of god intuitively makes more sense to me than a consortium of gods with varying characteristics.

stretch

Huh? You were making claims about actions of God. And if we are talking about who decides what the actions are going to be, the answer can't be 'the interpretations of those who claim to believe in him'. That has no logical validity at all, unless God doesn't exist ... in which case God doesn't act at all ... and the answer is moot.

Didn't you just tell me a few minutes ago that the bible was unclear on the point? How can you now say that it does?



Nope. If you want to verify this for me, please do it from a Muslim site.