leonarde

Not in EARLY Alzheimer's and in the Jan '81 to Jan '89 period that's all we could be talking about. What "lack of control" are you talking about that Reagan exhibited while in office??????

Cheers!

Beetle

Is it me, or is there a stunning reduction of the need for evidence on this board when we're discussing possible crimes by the Bushes?

leonarde

"Long ago" huh? Gee, I'm the one supplying all the months and years and Gurdur is employing the vaguest of temporal terms for his post-factum "diagnosis" of Reagan. Sorry but "long ago" won't do it if you are trying to convince anyone that Reagan might have been suspicious of G H W Bush's involvement in a 1981 assasination attempt due to Reagan's having Alzheimer's. Perhaps for your next pseudonym you'll use 'Dr. Killpatient"???

Cheers!

leonarde

Well, his doctors and nurses said so in 1981.

Cheers!

Gurdur

You mean that his doctors and nurses said he was joking about Bush trying to assassinate him ?


Since you obviously know nothing about the clinical manifestations accompanying Alzheimer's (as shown by your previous false claim regarding delusional paranoia), your unsupported assertion carries no weight.


My, my, is someone getting upset here ?


Bizarre sudden forgetfulness when making speeches; bizarre off.-the-cuff syntactically-distorted remarks; inappropriate facial expressions.

But then, why should I educate you in neurology ?
After all, according to you I'm "Dr.Killpatient", though in your case I think I'm simply Dr.Killjoy.

Gurdur

I will also point out that temporary bizarre ideation --- including paranoid ideation ---- is very far from being unknown in elderly patients experiencing infections or severe shock. Even without Alzheimer's.

Cheers !

Yours,
Dr. Killjoy

Vorkosigan

I thought this was all rather fun gossip until I heard on TV that the assassin's father had dinner with the Bush family the night before

Garbled, but true enough. John Hinckley's father and the Bushes are long time family friends. Neil Bush was on his way to dinner at the Hinckleys when he got news that RR had been shot. <shrug>? If true, it ain't gonna come out in our lifetime.

Vorkosigan

leonarde

Partial post:That's funny: I was living in the US during the entire 8 years of Reagan's Presidency: I don't remember seeing anything remotely like that , nor did I read anything of the sort. Which would explain at least partially why Reagan's Alzheimer's wasn't diagnosed until 2 or 3 years after he left office....each president has a personal physician who is on hand to spot "inappropriate facial expressions" etc. yet Reagan's never did. How is that???

But we were talking about (allegations of) Reagan's "paranoid delusions" (alleged by you in your first post) which so far only you managed to see in Reagan's eight years in office (at least retrospectively) and which you have sorely failed to support with any evidence whatsoever. All the medical knowledge in the world isn't going to help you there, 'Doc'!

Cheers!

Gurdur

Then you are simply not particularly observant.
I am not particularly surprised.

Symptoms that could be initial symptoms of Alzheimer's can also be because of other factors -- such as simply not getting enough sleep.

Do you have any point at all, or is all this sheer desperation ?

You amaze me, since I never knew presidential physicians were briefed to watch for inappropriate facial expressions, especially when sporadic.
Nope. Once again, you get it all completely wrong, leonarde.

I pointed out that if Reagan had suddenly started babbling seriously about Bush-led plots against his life, it would be far more likely to be the result of paranoid ideation caused by either Alzheimer's or stress/injury than to be because it was the truth.

So far, for all your adulation of Reagan, you've miserably failed to find anything wrong with my position.
I'ld say my knowledge has helped me far more than your lack of knowledge has helped you.

Cheers,
Dr.Killjoy

P.S. Do you still think I am Principea/Scientae/whoever ?
Why did you never acknowledge your accusation was wrong ?

P.P.S Where are those WMD's ?

Radcliffe Emerson

The one thing I will say about that article is, It comes out at this point in time when there's no chance at all of Reagan himself being able to quote on it.