HelenM

Sure are!

Ronin

vs."A Question for Christians...Would you let billions of people suffer for the actions of two people?"

That, RA, is not even a stretch...it is a complete disconnect, no matter the motivation.

Radorth

Re Dr Trick:

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*poof* The Christian concept of Original sin is no more.

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No that was not my third alternative. My alternative answer was "Yes if they fail to learn anything from their mistakes." And what have we learned really?

Not that you ever grasped the concept well enough to argue. You doubtless think it has someting to do with eating fruit of a literal tree in our minds. The "original sin" boils down to placing our wills above God's will. (You're an excellent example I think). And deciding for ourselves what is "good" and what is "evil," and I think the allegory/symbolism is most wise whether there was a literal Adam and Eve or not.

The fact is those who obey God don't get into all kinds of stupid sins. They learn that God knows what he is doing and learn to take his advice. I have never heard an atheist say s/he agrees with Paul's list of the "works of the flesh." Every one brings pain on oneself or another, but shortsighted atheists just want to try out their own ideas of "good." (Like Communism) Their ignorance of human nature and arrogance about their own holiness is truly astounding at times. Thus they especiallly are prone to repeat history and insure "original sin" is passed on.

How ironic that atheists argue one day that we should act reponsibly ourselves, then argue God is somehow at fault. In fact, it seems everything that goes wrong here is God's or some Christian's fault. I've seen very few atheists take responsibility for anything wrong here.

So your response is just simple-minded and has nothing to do with anything, like the rest of them.

Rad

Ronin

Me next...Rad...me next!!!

RufusAtticus

Personally I never thought the numbers were important to the question, but if in your view the difference between "a billion" and "a family" are enough to change your view on the sanctity of individual rights, then I guess I need appoligize for "stretching" the question.

Ronin

See, RA ~ it is that part of this thread OP that you again have specifically and conveniently dismissed which leads me to question your diversionary analogies and attempts at misdirecting my position.

My answer to the OP is clear in all scenarios, and I will state it just one more time ~ I would not LET billions of people suffer for the actions of two people.

RufusAtticus

Yet you would let a family suffer for the actions of one member. You yourself have admitted this by saying that you would not give up the boy in my example. Keep your blanket answer up for the general question, but it clearly falls apart when you begin to apply it to specific situations.

Ronin

Cheeze and crackers, RA...you are as tenacious as any xian...LOL!!

I told you, in no uncertain terms, that I would NOT let either the family or the boy suffer.

Whether or not my attempts to defend them against their viscious attackers met with success is irrelevant ~ I still would not let either of them suffer.

The only thing that is falling apart is your misrepresentation of my answer...time and time again.

RufusAtticus

Except that that is not an option unless you are omnipotent.

If you fail to turn over the boy, you let them suffer. It doesn't matter wheather you try hard for that to not happen, you still let it happen since you had an option that would have prevented it.

ybnormal

This thread was sidetracked, exactly like Sapient expected it to be, by Wildernesse and other xians back on the FIRST page. It was Kally's Post Of The Year that brought it back on topic, briefly.

From the first page... when Wildernesse, as expected, diverted the thread AND unwittingly PROVED Sapient's entire point...
Sapient's response to the above Wildernesse post...
The original question was totally generic, in that the only biblical references were embedded in some people's minds. Period!

Sapient offered xians a conundrum which they were unable to resist falling for... had they been capable of answering a simple generic question without deferring to their bible, OR had they been capable of just leaving it alone, Sapient could have easily been proved wrong. Period!