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Mean to edit, pushed the quote button.

Apathist

When that happens, just hit the back button.

Brett, have you explored the Theology Web? Some of the theists there may give you more of a challenge.

Nowhere357

Yes, kicking RBAC and Emotional around is a waste of his talents. Their theology is harmless. I'd rather see him take on some of the rabid fundies over at tweb.

Rational BAC

Debateing Fundies are the atheists' meat and potatoes. The best atheist debaters know their Bible better than the Fundies anyway.

Non-literalist Christians (who really don't know the Bible all that well nor do they care to) are much harder, if not impossible to pin down to much of anything. Why we tend to give atheists such fits at times. We just don't fight fair.

I think brettc would very much enjoy that web site (assuming it is a fundy site). Would use his best skills that way.

And I think he should win easily. I know very little about the Bible, but I have always found arguing with fundies to be a walk in the park compared to arguing with atheists. Cherry picking works very well in both cases.

The only problem that I can see with brettc taking on Fundies on a Fundie site is the "numbers" problem (same problem theists have on this forum). You can seem to have lost the argument simply because you are in such a minority. Mutt and Jeffing makes quite an impression, even though a superficial one.

But, I say------ have at it brettc. I wish you well in that endeavor. (if you should choose to take on this mission).

I can't imagine brettc ever saying "I take no farther part in this discussion. It is just too offensive to me"-----------------But then again, no one will ever know what you would do until you try brettc-----------go for it.

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I'm not sure what you guys are honestly getting at here, but the numbers thing you've mentioned on the theology web is a little intimidating. I'm not sure my purposes would be served with some of the 5 on 1 disjoint insult ridden conversations that go on here and at theology web. I'm not sure what the christians get out of it here. I've been lurking a little though.

My intent is not to kick around RBAC and emotional. This is how my learning and understanding process works. The more I learn about religion and what people actually believe, the more I'm shocked. I really am just trying to understand how people could actually believe this stuff. Plus, I would rather discuss religion with someone who is at least honest and partionally rational than some one who is completely irrational and won't admit it.

RBAC, you're not giving me fits. I think you've been pegged pretty well, but still only three holes remain. Rationally chunks most of the bible in the trash. Core beliefs on religion, admittedly irrational. Arguments related to irrational core beliefs? Irrational, won't admit it, will continue to make irrational arguments. Why a supposedly rational person believes irrational core beliefs? No answer. How or why do you leap from an irrational gut belief (no problem here) to believing it as uassailable truth? No answer. List of verses in the Bible RBAC believes define unassailable truth? Still waiting, must be a very short list, cough it up!

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Off topic, but got to respond anyway. Debating fundies is the meat and potatoes? I'm kind of tire of hearing that one around here. No, you've got it all backwards. I just want to be left alone to eat my meat and potatoes. If I want to stay at home on Sunday, while my fundie wife drags our kids to fundy church, I don't want to get a call from cloaked fundy friend to be harrassed about what's wrong with me for not going with family. I've been told by a coworker that I'm not friendship or respect worthy because I'm not a badge wearing BAC like him. I've got a whole life full of those experiences.

If christians would have left me alone all my life, I wouldn't be here to a large extent venting exactly what I think of this bullshit you call Christianity. I was just an atheist before. I never spoke about religion at all. Never to anyone. So atheist does not relate at all to a loudmouth hate mongering I'm right and I'll argue at the top of my lungs 'till you're dead mentality. You, as an adult, should have enough experience to know where that comes from. If you've ever been someone who was fat, weak, gay, four eyed, sissy, black, atheist, poor, immigrant, or anyone else that is looked down on or put down in society, you'd know exactly where that comes from, and it doesn't have anything to do with atheism.

You keep saying that, but it's not true. You agree that we (atheists and liberal christians) successfully make arguments against fundies. We agree because you use reason to make your arguments and understand ours. OTH, you thow out reason when it comes to dealing with our arguments against your beliefs. You don't recognize the validity of our arguments because you refuse to evaluate them rationally. In both cases, fundies and yourself, it's the same problem. You are defeated through rational arguments regardless of whether you recognize it or not.

Rational BAC

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OK Trying it.

That did work a little better. Think what messed it up is that what I quoted was also a quote.

Rational BAC

Nope--still not working right for some reason. Going to delete this post as an unnecessary waste of bandwidth and nonsensical practice anyway.

WHOOPS--------Tried to delete this post but couldn't for some reason so you are all stuck with it. I can still edit it so will add---

Obviously the problem I am having is not being able to quote just a short passage of a long text without quoting the whole text. Still can't do that.