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4th Generation Atheist · 08-21-2002, 03:40 PM

Hm....most of them seem to feature some office space, some storage space and at least one big room suitable for large gatherings and presentations. Many are located on easy-to-find lots near public transportation. Sounds like the prescription for a community center.

Albion · 08-21-2002, 04:29 PM

Sounds as though Britain is in the same situation as The Netherlands. There are ex-churches being converted into all sorts of businesses and private residences. Not sure I'd enjoy having a garden full of dead people, though.

Perchance · 08-21-2002, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Vir:
Actually, when I said the "fall of religion", I meant the absence of it in politics. There would still be religious folk, of course, but what should be done by the politicians with their crazy worship centres?

If this is what you mean, then I fail to see why the government would suddenly own all the churches. After all, if religion and the state were completely separate, the government would have no more business owning a church than the religious would have lobbying Congress.

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Should they be burned?

I find this as distressing as burning books. They're things. They didn't do anything to anyone. The people who may have had something to do with them may have.

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put on a museum? I think they should definately not be burned;

Thank you.

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I think they should be transformed into a place for people to learn Darwinism, Communism, Atheism, etc.

[ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: Vir ]

Becuase they're the best places for that purpose, though? Or just because that's the opposite of what they were?

-Perchance.

[ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: Perchance ]

Totalitarianist · 08-21-2002, 07:21 PM

"Or just because that's the opposite of what
they were?"

Because it would be an insult to all the
remaining Christians. Stalin did the same thing.
The man had a wonderful sense of humour

.

Eudaimonist · 08-21-2002, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by Vir:
In my opinion, they ought to be taken over by the
great Atheist organisations that have done so
much good in this world, and Atheism, Darwinism,
Communism, etc (all the things the Christians
are against) should be preached through the
Churches. A bit of humour

If Capitalism is taught too, count me in.

But seriously, secular Sweden seems to have a good answer. They use churches for weddings and the like. This seems like a good enough use for them.

Arrowman · 08-21-2002, 08:36 PM

Vir, why would it be that the arrival of entirely secular government would necessarily entail the government taking over and disposing of the private property of religious organisations? And what makes you think that the atheists here would support that? We're atheists, not fascists. You do know the difference, don't you?

Totalitarianist · 08-21-2002, 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by Arrowman:
Vir, why would it be that the arrival of entirely secular government would necessarily entail the government taking over and disposing of the private property of religious organisations? And what makes you think that the atheists here would support that? We're atheists, not fascists. You do know the difference, don't you?

I know the difference. Since Atheists are fairly
rational people, we will undoubtedly convert to
communism and abolish capitalism, get rid of
capitalists (do not worry, I am not advocating
murder or anything), etc. I believe the superior
form of government is technocratic oligarchical
stratocracy and totalitarian communism. All
property would be nationalised, including the
Churches. Since the leaders would be Atheists,
they would, no doubt, put the churches into good
use. They could do anything. But in my opinion,
it ought to be something funny: for religion is
a joke, and preaching Darwinism through religious
institutions--we will have the last laugh!

Bible Humper · 08-21-2002, 09:16 PM

"Preaching Darwinism". Whether evolution is true or not has nothing to do with the fact that this would be a terrible travesty, a strangling of the adventurous spirit of discovery by the rope of indoctrination.

Your assertion that since atheists are rational we "will all convert to communism" is completely ridiculous. The only way I would view embracing communism as a rational act on my part is if a gun is held to my head.

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I believe the superior
form of government is technocratic oligarchical
stratocracy and totalitarian communism.

<img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

You are still preaching this same science fiction scenario that you found in the video game Alpha Centauri? Why would anyone support such a horrific fantasy unless they were going to be the leader? You are one strange kid.

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All property would be nationalised, including the
Churches.

You have a lot to learn, junior, start with some history. You might think that the regimes which were historically similar to your current fantasy were "cool" or "uber", but try looking into them from a human perspective.

You seem to be suffering from a lot of teenage angst, perhaps you should start a thread in miscellaneous discussions asking for some advice regarding improving your sex life. I can't help but think that a girl in your life would do you a lot of good.

Lesson #1: Get rid of your Chairman Yang fantasy...

[ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: Bible Humper/ SCoW ]

Totalitarianist · 08-21-2002, 09:41 PM

"Preaching Darwinism". Whether evolution is true or not has nothing to do with the fact that this would be a terrible travesty, a strangling of the adventurous spirit of discovery by the rope of indoctrination.

Nah.

You are still preaching this same science fiction scenario that you found in the video game Alpha Centauri? Why would anyone support such a horrific fantasy unless they were going to be the leader? You are one strange kid.

For the last time, I never got my initial notion
of Trebaxianism through your stupid video game
(nor any notion); it came out of my own brain;
not wholly: for I got many of the ideas from
Plato's "The Republic", More's "Utopia",
Machiavelli "The Prince", and several other
books; at that time I never really considered
Marxism-Leninism or the ilk. I went on to apply
this to a space colony; but then some ignorant
twit asserted that I got it from some obscure
video game, of which I was at the time
completely ignorant of: and thus I reformed my
theory considerably after reading Stalin,
Lenin, Marx and Engels, Aristotle, etc; and
moreover after reading Spartan history, and even
child psychology. I read a lot of information from
marxists.org, I read about Social Darwinism and
much more. Thence I applied these new-found
ideas to, like before, a space colony, but I
abandoned half of my previous ideas on the
subject.
You know very little about how I mingled these
ideas together, and in addition applied many of
my own ideas to form only the beginning of
Trebaxianism.

You have a lot to learn, junior, start with some history. You might think that the regimes which were historically similar to your current fantasy were "cool" or "uber", but try looking into them from a human perspective.

I look at them from a scientific perspective.

You seem to be suffering from a lot of teenage angst, perhaps you should start a thread in miscellaneous discussions asking for some advice regarding improving your sex life. I can't help but think that a girl in your life would do you a lot of good.

LOL! That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

[ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: Trebaxian_Vir ]

Arrowman · 08-21-2002, 11:15 PM

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Since Atheists are fairly rational people...

You put the qualifier in the wrong place. I think it should read "Most Atheists are entirely rational people." You are the exception that proves the rule.

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... we will undoubtedly convert to communism and abolish capitalism...

ROFL!

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I believe the superior form of government is technocratic oligarchical stratocracy and totalitarian communism.

...whereas I believe the superior form of government is neoconstructive postdialectic subcapitalist pedantocracy and postsemiotic fascism.

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"Preaching Darwinism". Whether evolution is true or not has nothing to do with the fact that this would be a terrible travesty, a strangling of the adventurous spirit of discovery by the rope of indoctrination.
Nah.

Sorry, Trebax, there seems to have been a glitch with your last post. It appears that you responded to an erudite and incisive rebuttal of your assertion, with "Nah". I'm sure your superior socio-philosophical intellect came up with better than that.

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...You know very little about how I mingled these ideas together, and in addition applied many of my own ideas to form only the beginning of Trebaxianism.

...Well, you're almost right. I have no idea exactly what combination of inhaled or ingested chemicals was responsible.

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You have a lot to learn, junior, start with some history. You might think that the regimes which were historically similar to your current fantasy were "cool" or "uber", but try looking into them from a human perspective.

I look at them from a scientific perspective.

That you attempt to analyse social and historical phenomena "from a scientific perspective" [whatever that means in your universe] in preference to a "human perspective" is, given the nature and quality of your outpourings, hardly surprising.

Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now...
- Bob Dylan

08-21-2002, 09:41 PM	#19
Totalitarianist Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,234	"Preaching Darwinism". Whether evolution is true or not has nothing to do with the fact that this would be a terrible travesty, a strangling of the adventurous spirit of discovery by the rope of indoctrination. Nah. You are still preaching this same science fiction scenario that you found in the video game Alpha Centauri? Why would anyone support such a horrific fantasy unless they were going to be the leader? You are one strange kid. For the last time, I never got my initial notion of Trebaxianism through your stupid video game (nor any notion); it came out of my own brain; not wholly: for I got many of the ideas from Plato's "The Republic", More's "Utopia", Machiavelli "The Prince", and several other books; at that time I never really considered Marxism-Leninism or the ilk. I went on to apply this to a space colony; but then some ignorant twit asserted that I got it from some obscure video game, of which I was at the time completely ignorant of: and thus I reformed my theory considerably after reading Stalin, Lenin, Marx and Engels, Aristotle, etc; and moreover after reading Spartan history, and even child psychology. I read a lot of information from marxists.org, I read about Social Darwinism and much more. Thence I applied these new-found ideas to, like before, a space colony, but I abandoned half of my previous ideas on the subject. You know very little about how I mingled these ideas together, and in addition applied many of my own ideas to form only the beginning of Trebaxianism. You have a lot to learn, junior, start with some history. You might think that the regimes which were historically similar to your current fantasy were "cool" or "uber", but try looking into them from a human perspective. I look at them from a scientific perspective. You seem to be suffering from a lot of teenage angst, perhaps you should start a thread in miscellaneous discussions asking for some advice regarding improving your sex life. I can't help but think that a girl in your life would do you a lot of good. LOL! That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard. [ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: Trebaxian_Vir ]</p>

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08-21-2002, 03:40 PM	#11
4th Generation Atheist Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Tower of Ecthelion...by the Starbuck's Posts: 1,815	Hm....most of them seem to feature some office space, some storage space and at least one big room suitable for large gatherings and presentations. Many are located on easy-to-find lots near public transportation. Sounds like the prescription for a community center.

08-21-2002, 04:29 PM	#12
Albion Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: US east coast. And www.theroyalforums.com Posts: 2,829	Sounds as though Britain is in the same situation as The Netherlands. There are ex-churches being converted into all sorts of businesses and private residences. Not sure I'd enjoy having a garden full of dead people, though.

08-21-2002, 07:21 PM	#14
Totalitarianist Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,234	"Or just because that's the opposite of what they were?" Because it would be an insult to all the remaining Christians. Stalin did the same thing. The man had a wonderful sense of humour .

08-21-2002, 08:36 PM	#16
Arrowman Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 1,358	Vir, why would it be that the arrival of entirely secular government would necessarily entail the government taking over and disposing of the private property of religious organisations? And what makes you think that the atheists here would support that? We're atheists, not fascists. You do know the difference, don't you?

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