Butters

The meaning is not hidden. It is there for all to see if they would only open their hearts to Jesus.
You are giving the word a narrow definition. We can't be sure what the word meant along time ago when Rad first used it. We must look into the older alternate meanings of the word. The only people qualified to do this are fundamental Christians. Radical could mean anything at all, except what you Godless heathens want it to mean.

Yellum Notnef

I`ll take a guess at this one.

"Radical" or "rad" was a term used by BMX kids in the late 70`s/early 80`s. It went more with BMX freestlye (bike tricks) than it did with BMX racing.

BMX freestyle and the terminology and slang that went with it originated in Southern California (where Radorth is).
If you have been paying attention you`ll remember Radorth`s big claim to fame was the prize winning aluminum BMX frame that Jesus helped him design.
This frame of his allegedly won an award in 1993 and beat out a similar frame by GT. GT started making standard BMX racing frames,but by 1993 the racing craze was all but gone and their frames were primarily designed for freestyle.
This leads me to believe that the frame Rad and Jesus built was also a freestyle frame since it beat out GT`s flagship in 1993.

I was 23 years old in 1993 and had all but forgotten about BMX freestyle and "radical" tricks by then,but from the ages of 12 to 15 me and most of the other kids in my neighborhood lived it and had quite a collection of ramps and quarter pipes.

Maybe I`m way off the mark about the "Rad" part of his name,but this would be my guess what it means.

Btw,
In case people have no idea what the hell I`m takling about I`ll give a pretty well lnown example of the word radical in use as it applied to bike stunts during the 80`s.
Towards the end of the movie Pee Wee`s Big Adventure,Pee Wee Herman jumps down from a house roof with his bike and lands on the street in front of a group of BMX kids. The littlest kid in the group says "radical!"

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Ab_Normal

Rad, my husband and I are currently wondering where to come up with the 38% of our annual net income it's going to take to send our child to a secular private school, if we don't get financial aid. (If we get the max financial aid, it'll be only 12% of net. What a relief. ) If we succeed, we will also continue to pay our property taxes, and not whine about it. Private schools are not the sole province of the religious.

Radorth

Read Washington's Farewell Address, Franklin's plea for prayer, the innumerable admonitions to solicit and thank God for his help in creating "the house" and maintaining it, and get back to me. Where the heck did you study history?

Dependent on Christian democracies, namely the U.S.

And converted in a Protestant one.

Rad

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Radorth

You didn't get one fact correct Mulley.

Unusual.

Rad

Yellum Notnef

Looks like you`ve dishonestly interpreted something you`ve read to fit your agenda.

Unusual.

Maybe thats not where the "rad" in your name comes from,but there were still plenty of other correct facts in my post.

Btw,
Is you name from a role playing game?

We`ll probably never really know I guess since you`re not at all like the majority of people who post here. Most of the people who come here (religious and nonreligious) take part in some of the more friendly forums and interact with others in a friendly manner.
You OTOH hate us and are only here to argue and try to foil our secret plan to make any belief in Jesus a federal offense.

You don`t come across as much of a people person Radorth.

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Daggah

Must've been one of those radical, strange, unorthodox schools that taught that legal documents trump personal anecdotes in arguments dealing with legal matters. Go figure.

Radorth

I don't hate anybody Fenton, and given the tone and content of your posts, I would say you should be the last to judge. Holding up a mirror because I hate sin and hypocrisy is not evidence of hatred. If it was, I wouldn't have put up with the hundreds of insults I have received, and outright lies told about me. But as I also say, you can only see in others what is in you.

Actually "Radorth" is simply short for "radically orthodox," just what Toto said.

And now, back to the program.

Hear that George? Your Farewell Address is now viewed as a personal anecdote. Well, 200 years of freedom from tyrants ain't bad though.

Rad

Radorth

"Secular activists" here can't or won't grasp how the Founders could make a law which says "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion, or prohibiting the free excercise thereof..." on one day, and import 20,000 Bibles on the next, with the approval of a "deist" President.

How does importing 20,000 Bibles rationally constitute any violation of the above? To these "deists":

The belief in a God all powerful, wise and good is so essential to the moral order of the world and to the happiness of man, that arguments which enforce it cannot be drawn from to many sources nor adapted with too much solicitude to the different characters and capacities to be impressed with it

(A.D Wainright,Madison and Witherspoon: Theological Roots of American Political Thought Princeton University, P 125)

They are not, by importing Bibles, prohibiting anybody from doing anything. In their minds they are simple spreading "the Light of Truth" and they happened to think Jesus knew it better than anybody.

Does any "activist" here know why Madison said he objected to the establishment of religion by law? I doubt it. Buffman might know, but I doubt he will volunteer the information.

Rad

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Bumble Bee Tuna

A good reason why Madison wanted religion completely separate from the state was due to pressure from the Baptists in his home state. Though it would be pretty simplistic historical revision to attribute it to a single cause. Another reason is that lots of other people were demanding an amendment about "freedom of conscience" and Madison was the master of compromise trying to get everyone satisfied. Another reason might be that he personally supported it, because he was reasonable enough to respect the rights on non-Christians. There are usually many, many reasons that go into forming a person's opinion.

-B