Loren Pechtel

And said missile almost always falls on a terrorist commander.

Anglican

No I'm not Linox, for example see Amnesty's report on children being targetted in the present initfada it only mentions one possible instance when the child in question could of been targetted. I also see you don't bother to even nmae one instance when this has happend. Infact isreal has killed a slightly higher perecntage of children than Palestian terorist groups have (610 Palestinians children killed compared to 102 Israel children killed on both sides the vast majority of the children killed were not involved in the fighting)

I certainly can't rember any arrest in this group though some others were arrested for another bombing of a Palestian school, but around 20 people mostly children have been injured in bombings of schools by Jewish terrorist groups.

comradeBillyboy

and the idf almost always regrets any loss of innocent life.

the real sticking point is the "facts on the ground" the settlements that dot the west bank. how will the israeli governent get the settlers to vacate? i would expect israel to annex the settlements in the vicinity of jerusalem, and maintain control of the entire city. i dont really expect any israeli pol to negotiate the soverignty of jerusalem, but it would be nice if an arrangment could be made to allow access by the local arabs.

unfortunatly the pals don't have much in the way of stable civic institutions. lots of pro israeli posteres point to this as one reason to continue the occupation. if the israelis can find a way to foster strong and non-corrupt civil governemt in the territories, that could be a stabilizing factor. and ending the occupation of the bulk of the west bank would reduce the number of terrorist recruits.

personally i don't think sharon and abbas are up to the job. i am glad that i don't have to solve the problem cuz all the options are ugly

Autonemesis

Do dead children care whether they were targetted deliberately or were "merely" collateral damage? Do their parents? Do we?

Loren Pechtel

Except that most of those Palestinian "children" are in their mid to late teens and are rock-throwers and the like.

Look here, specifically graphs 2.20 and 2.21. 2.20 is showing non-combatant female deaths. It shows an age distribution like one would expect of noncombatants although the graph is rather noisy because of the low number of data points.

2.21, on the other hand shows "non-combatant" male deaths. Note how 86% of them are at least 10 and over 50% are at least 15. It should be blatantly obvious that these are far from random--in other words, they are *NOT* merely innocents in the line of fire.

(Note that the #'s on this page aren't the same as yours--the report I'm linking is from 2002.)

Loren Pechtel

It's the difference between carelessness and malice. It makes a big difference in the punishment one receives.

Dharma

Frankly, I'm all for Israel's right to exist...atleast someone should teach muslims a lesson on taking other people's land...Israel has done to muslims what muslims have been doing to everyone else ...GOOD!

Muslims have done this and formed and carved nations out of the fact that they are a majority while slaughtering minorities...Pakistan, Bangladesh are just 2 examples..

As for Winston Smith, sorry for the fact that you were displaced from your country, I know you have nothing to do with the conflict in Kashmir, but that's exactly what your muslim "brothers" are doing to non-muslims in Kashmir...in fact, now for this fact, Hindus are getting a tad annoyed yet the level of terrorism for such assaults against Muslims has not yet matched that of Arab nations against Israel...and when cries of "kill all muslims in India" came, you know what? It was the Hindus themselves who removed these fascists from power in the last elections...Palestinians on the other had to wait for Arafat to die.

shall I say too, like you, so shamelessly, I can't wait until all Muslims and the stupid middle eastern religions along with them are eliminated from this earth?

People should use their heads and try to open their hearts just a bit before they attack each other...your religion, your holy land, your lives are just as precious as other peoples religions, holy lands and lives...perhaps you "monotheists" will one day understand this.

Ravon

Ah Loren if only it were true- then we would never see palestinian children with arms and legs blown off being rushed to hospitals. You probably believe
american bombs and missles are not killing innocent iraqis either. They may call them smart bombs but really Loren they aren't that smart. :banghead:

Alter

Only one???? I can think of 3 off the top of my head. Teenage girls at a beach in line for a dance club. Mothers with babies in strollers at a Sbarro. (Apparently, the guy tried his best to get in the middle of the strollers.)

And in the most horrific of them all, an infant was sniped in her mother's arms. Shalhevet Pas, look it up.

Sauron

So evidently, facts aren't an issue with your little experiment.

Wish I could say that I was surprised.