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View Poll Results: Is it moral for God to send a person to hell ONLY bec. he/she never heard the Gospels
Yes. There is nothing wrong with God condemning a person for something he/she had no control over. 1 1.33%
No. This would be completly immoral and unjust. 70 93.33%
Other (please explain). 4 5.33%
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Old 07-08-2003, 03:44 PM   #11
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Then the baboon, which is mightier that man, is our moral superior. Then the mugger and the rapist are morally superior to their victims. Then Hitler exhibited superior morals when he managed to butcher millions of innocent people.

And of course, God is morally superior because he kills and tortures billions of people.

What a strange view.
Assuming for the sake of argument that a god created everything, it doesn't matter what we think of Hitler or or anyone else. The standards of right and wrong belong entirely to the creator and there is nothing we can do about it. So when I agreed with your statement that "Might equals right" it was only in reference to a creator, not to anyone who exerts power over another, because both the predator and prey are ultimately subject to the final judgement of the creator.
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Assuming for the sake of argument that a god created everything, it doesn't matter what we think of Hitler or or anyone else. The standards of right and wrong belong entirely to the creator and there is nothing we can do about it. So when I agreed with your statement that "Might equals right" it was only in reference to a creator, not to anyone who exerts power over another, because both the predator and prey are ultimately subject to the final judgement of the creator.
Interesting how we are left to decipher his 'standards' because making your point clear just aint God's style.
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I think Christian teaching states that a person would still go to heaven if they had never heard of the Gospels, provided they had led a 'righteos' life.
Yes, all Christians believe this. Except those that don't.
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The alleged "god(s)" is MANMADE; a HUMAN FICTION; and therefore anything asserted or alleged about *it* has no reality/substance and is a waste of time and a waste of human concern. We (anyone) would be better employed studying, learning and pursuing REAL entities & events.
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Is it moral for God to send a person to hell ONLY because he or she had never heard the Gospels?
How could it be? Of course, if by "God" you are referring to the god described by the Christian Bible, you'd be interested to know that he doesn't do this. Hearing the Gospels is unnecessary according to Paul. People are judged by their hearts, not their knowledge. Everything anyone needs to get into heaven is already present in them. What they choose to do with it is what determines where they go.
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How could it be? Of course, if by "God" you are referring to the god described by the Christian Bible, you'd be interested to know that he doesn't do this. Hearing the Gospels is unnecessary according to Paul. People are judged by their hearts, not their knowledge. Everything anyone needs to get into heaven is already present in them. What they choose to do with it is what determines where they go.
John 3:16-18 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


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The standards of right and wrong belong entirely to the creator and there is nothing we can do about it.
We can struggle against tyranny and injustice, what do you think?
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John 3:16-18 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.



Romans 12-16: For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.) For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another. In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
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Hearing the Gospels is unnecessary according to Paul. People are judged by their hearts, not their knowledge. Everything anyone needs to get into heaven is already present in them. What they choose to do with it is what determines where they go.
Say, can you provide the chapter and verse without too much trouble? If you are aware of any other scripture which contradicts the idea of belief for salvation, I really would like that information, also. I oppose the bigotry of the Christian "believe or else" creed, and can use the ammunition.

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