Nialler

... it was Good Friday.

You just need to look it up in your desktop calendar for the year he died, 31CE.

He arose from the dead on Easter Sunday which is two days later.

Sheeesh!

Radcliffe Emerson

A former Methodist minister told me this past summer the Romans absolutely would not have allowed Jesus' body to be removed from the pole it was on, especially by the Jews for religious reasons. Bodies were left on the poles until they completely rotted away, then thrown to dogs to be eaten, which why only one crucified skeletal remains has ever been found.
If Jesus even existed (which I doubt, as there is practically no mention of him at all from other sources during that period), and he was crucified, his body was handled in that matter, not put in some tomb.

jess

I was taught that because of the insurrections in the region, it was standard practice to break the legs of the crucified victims to hasten their deaths and to remove the bodies to be dumped in a common pit (to be ravaged by doggies) when they had died, because the method of death was 'offensive' to Jews (who preferred stoning and poisoning) and they had rebelled over it. It was a concession.

Jesus had already 'died', so they make a point that his legs weren't broken and he was merely removed and given to the wealthy Jew to bury as a political favor.

However, IIRC, you had a 25% chance of surving a crucifixion if removed in one day and your legs weren't broken, if you hadn't died. That's a 25% chance without medical care (ie: being dumped in a tomb).

Nope, no sources. Could look, but I am behind at both work and home. off now.

Clarice O'C

Hi Jess and All,

John 19:4 states: "For these things took place that the scripture might be fulfilled, 'Not a bone of him shall be broken,'" which refers back to Ex. 12:46, Num. 9:12, and Ps. 34:20 (RSV).

My take is that the gospelers had a habit of trying to prove that Jesus was the Messiah who the Jews were waiting for; hence, John left Jesus' legs unbroken in his writing to "fulfill scripture" hoping for converts to Christianity with this evidence.

Best,
Clarice

vtran31

But surely one of the followers of Jesus would have bothered to note it?

even if they did, many ancient texts are lost for many reasons ie) the preservation of the material, book burnings,etc. we only got one text, the well known Dead Sea scrolls, that have the OT that is dated in BC

vtran31

A former Methodist minister told me this past summer the Romans absolutely would not have allowed Jesus' body to be removed from the pole it was on, especially by the Jews for religious reasons. Bodies were left on the poles until they completely rotted away, then thrown to dogs to be eaten, which why only one crucified skeletal remains has ever been found.
If Jesus even existed (which I doubt, as there is practically no mention of him at all from other sources during that period), and he was crucified, his body was handled in that matter, not put in some tomb.

I never heard that before. and I doubt it. have any sources that said this happened to EVERYONE crucified. how did people survive the crucifixtion then? unless that other poster was incorrect

jess

we have detailed records of at least one person who was rescued by a friend (went to the judges and got permission to have his 'innocent' friend removed from his cross where he had been nailed for almost a full day) and was nursed back to health, so we know that they knew you could survive it.

Jesus was on the cross for less time ( about 1/4) than this historical recording of survival.

I believe there were other instances of people not dying, but I don't remember.

I know there was a study in Germany which came up with the 25% number. I don't remember if that was a Nazi study, but that would make sense.

I know that the Romans would alter some laws to prevent insurrections. That was much cheaper than sending in more soldiers. In that area they would not let the sun do down on a cucified body on a Friday night because of the Sabbath.

Bobzammel

'cept of course that's no messianic prophecy. Mainly references to a Passover lamb(Which has been identified with Jesus) and one of the Psalm songs, which although they are songs are used by Christians as prophecy.

Radcliffe Emerson

Here is a link to an article about crucificions.
It is EXTREMELY unlikely Jesus would have been taken down from the cross and laid in a tomb.

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...omb/roman.html