Theli

I did. But apperantly you didn't even read my post.
Physical laws doesn't exist as an independent being/force, but the supposed creator-god does.
Further more, your definition of "god" is still too skinny.
Can you name a religion where people reffer to god as not being conscious?
Why should I change "laws of physics" to "god"?
It's just a word-excange.
If you want to invent a new language where all words are swapped around to fit your theories, then by all means do so, but don't expect me to adapt to that language.

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LinuxPup

I think the most popular definition of God that I know of is an uncaused, timeless, personal, unchanging, necessary cause of the universe. I know this is what Christianity and Judaism go by. Sure there are many other definitions, but these seem to be the popular ones around these parts of the web.

If this God exists, then pantheism must necessarily be false. Why? Because God contains properties that contradict the properties of pantheism. God is timeless, and the universe is not. God is personal, the universe is not. God is uncaused, the universe is not. etc.

Theli

Personal + unchanging...


I love this little paradox.
How can you have personal relationship with something that is unchanging/static/dead?
The christian god is built on inconsistencies and onfounded assumptions. Such as "timeless".

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The definition of the word "god" you are using is both biased and inconsistent. Not all god's have created the universe.
If Trebaxian Vir would like to draw a parallel between the specific judeo-christian god and natural laws, he has alot of work to do.

How can natural laws speak to people?

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Philosoft

Which isn't a definition at all. It's the same as saying, "This previously identified thing, which we refer to as God, is uncaused, timeless, personal, unchanging, and necessarily caused the universe." All the while blithely begging the question that God has been identified in the first place.