Dr Rick

Powell and Rice are Black.

Perle and Wolfowitz are Jews.

Some of the most despicable people in recent history, including Mao, Idi Amin, Mugabe, Kim Jung II and his father, and Saddam Hussein are non-whites.

Corruption, the drive for power, moral turpitude and hatred know no racial bounds.

Rick

Zar

Dr Rick is right again.

To me, racism is a tool at the service of power, not usually the other way around. Of course, to say that race is a nonexistent factor in the power equation is to be grossly mistaken, but to say it is the prime or only factor is to be equally mistaken. This probably has something to do with Martin Luther King Jr.'s increasing concern with social justice as a whole, and not just racism, near the end of his life.

I myself have had to go through several changes in my views of race in relation to power over the years. I am now at a point where I cannot see it as the root of all evil, but a branch of it.

ohwilleke

Just a few thoughts.

1. Certainly, the combined military and Iraqi deaths from Gulf War II exceed the number of people killed in the WTC bombing. The Associated Press, for example, based on Western journalist reports confirmed by more than one source and Pentegon briefings, puts the number of Iraqi civilian dead in excess of 1,000 and the number of soldiers killed in excess of 3,500, while recognizing that neither compiliation is complete. The number of soldiers killed is probably far higher as the 3,500 figure does not include any Iraqi soldiers killed by long range or aerial bombing.

One can argue about how many more were killed in Iraq than on 9/11, but there is little doubt that more were killed in Iraq.

The populations from which the dead have been drawn in each case (the NYC metro area and the DC metro area in the 9/11 case and Iraq in the other) are also fairly similar.

2. GWB has repeatedly attempted to make a connection between Gulf War II and 9/11.

3. The Gulf War II's official basis, an imminent threat to the Allies from weapons of mass destruction, has proven to be unsubstantiated. There have been a few bits and pieces of chemical weapon equipment located in small amounts, none were used in the war despite the fact that the regime's existence was at issue, there is no evidence of a viable nuclear program and there has been no evidence of a meaningful biological weapons program.

4. Gulf War II in fact, did not involve any imminent threat to the U.S.

5. The WTC similiarly, had an iffy basis in threats to the Islamic world. The insurance companies that bore most of the companies did nothing to threaten Islam.

6. Iraqi military casualties involve many people who, at least, had less choice about their military service than their American counterparts.

Larry

Well said.

Blixy Sticks

Ummm...no Arabs in this distinguished group of individuals. Fancy that.

While these infamous characters are certainly responsible for countless atrocities against their own people, there really is no basis for an assertion that they committed genocidal acts against members of other races.

Caucasians are the frontrunners when it comes to genocide in the last millennium and it certainly looks like this race fully intends to protect this claim well into the current millennium.



I agree, but if we're talking about genocide of one race by another and we are speaking in terms of magnitude, there really is no comparison. Caucasians are on a mission. A mission that gathered steam in the latter half of the last millennium and is continuing with a vengeance into the current millennium.

Zar

Here's one for you: Ahmad Chalabi.

He was a major factor in helping convince the U.S. to oust Saddam for him and his political devotees in the Iraqi National Congress, who are mainly Iraqi expatriates. Apparently, the INC is based in London. Some indigenous movement, eh?

Just add his name to the list of nefarious interests and characters circling Washington like vultures.

Blixy Sticks

Well, actually I was referring to Meester Booshes esteemed Cabinet Members. Chalabi is a pawn and a pimp. Placing him in power, or his cronies, would be tantamount to positing the likes of the Shah (If he were alive) back in Iran once we "liberate" them.

Mind you, I don't advocate for such.

Gurdur

Oh for fuck's sakes --- here we have a situation where the USA has acted clearly against international law, we have global protests as a result, we have the beginnings of an EU almost ready to tell the USA to stuff it where the sun doesn't shine, we have a minority already in the USA prepared to protest against these modern neo.con crusades
.....
all in all, we have the faint beginnings of some kind of valid, effective resistance against supremacism and against contempt for international law.

So WHY NOT SIMPLY DERAIL THE WHOLE THING BY INDULGING IN COMPLETELY USELESS & NONSENSICAL DIATRIBES ABOUT "RACES" AND RACIAL GUILT ???
Jeeeeeezus, talk about doing Rumsfeld's job for him.


Codswallop. Stuff and nonsense.

1. Idi Amin certainly saw the members of tribes opposed to him as being of a different race ----he was a half-Sudanese and made no secret of his belief he was a superior race to his victims.
   
2. The first modern genocide was in 1915, when Turks murdered 1� million Armenians.
   FOR YOUR INFORMATION, Turks are NOT "Caucasians".
   
3. Quote:

   Caucasians are the frontrunners when it comes to genocide in the last millennium

   Oh wow, the militant Hutus saw the other tribes in Rwanda as being of a different race --- and massacred well over a million.
   
4. Ancient genocides in the years 1000 - 2000 A.D. belong mainly to the credit of the Mongolians (who devastated Afghanistan, wiping out millions throughtout Central Asia, and also Baghdad) and the Turcomens, who did over Iran and Eastern Europe.
   'Course, they didn't bother to go into long exegeses about race, they simply did it.
   
5. Quote:

   and it certainly looks like this race fully intends to protect this claim well into the current millennium.

   YES ! YES !
   DAMN those blue-eyed, platinum-haired Icelanders and Swedes !
   ALWAYS wiping out other "races" and preparing to DO MORE !
   YES ! YES ! THE NORWEGIANS ARE ALREADY MARCHING ON GHANA, I TELL YOU !
   
6. Quote:

   Caucasians are on a mission. A mission that gathered steam in the latter half of the last millennium and is continuing with a vengeance into the current millennium.

   Speak for yourself, honky.
   I speak, read and write KiSwahili, I'm learing Xhosa and Zulu, I have a smattering of Matabele.
   What non-"Caucasian" languages do you speak ?
   What non-"Caucasian" cultures do you know at first hand ?
   
   
7. AND FINALLY. PLEASE DRAW US UP A SCIENTIFIC TEST TO DETERMINE "CAUCASIANS", SO WE CAN ROOT OUT THE EVIL AMONG US.
   THANK-YOU.
   

Hopefully we will now be allowed to get back to a productive discussion of what to do about the USA now, rather than being sidetracked with moonshine and bilgewater.

Dr Rick

...in keeping with the forum rules:

"Ad hominem attacks, insults and flames are not acceptable. Posts which consist largely or entirely of such comments will be deleted. Otherwise substantive posts which contain some ad hominems or flames will be edited to remove the inappropriate material while retaining the substance of the post"

Please keep it civil

Rick

Blixy Sticks

After reviewing Gurdur's retort several times over and considering the ruling placed in lieu of my deleted post, I respectfully request that approximately 2/3 of Gurdur's post be expunged/deleted in an effort to be fair and consistent. I will provide some examples below.

Ad Hominem


Ad Hominem

Blatant Ad Hominem. Definately, over the top.

Ad Hominem