Oolon Colluphid

Let's be clear on one thing: humans were not 'created'. Nor was any other living thing. So please clarify that you are speaking metaphorically (or metaphysically). If you are not, I insist that you get your fundament(alist) into the appropriate forum, and defend what certainly smells from here like bullshit.

TTFN, DT

Echo

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Magus55


Pride and Envy is what made Satan fall.

Where did the Pride and Envy come from that made Satan fall?

Radorth

It's always nice to see an open-minded person ask these questions.

Well I suppose he put us on the same earth as Satan so we could have a free choice between serving self, as Satan chose to do, and serving Him, between following God's rules and making up our own, between God's righteousness and self-righteousness, between objective and subjective morals, between enjoying the life God intended, and suffering the consequences of living by your own "knowledge of good and evil."

Is that a problem? I thought you skeptical folks were into deciding for yourselves. I mean aren't you glad there was somebody here to tell you "God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened"?

So you like to make your own choices, but reserve the right to blame God for providing them. Is that correct? I suppose you find being judged by your own rules unfair as well.

Rad

Biff the unclean

One fact that everyone seems to be forgetting about why the devil was put where he was is because there is nowhere else.

There is the solid dome of the firmament with Heaven above it. The Devil can't stay there.
There is our nice flat Earth stretched out to the edge of the sky, here in the middle. Used to be called "Middle Earth" long before Tolkien. The Devil can't stay here.
There is the under world and that's where the Devil was sent.
He couldn't go to another planet entirely because the planets are only lanterns hung from the underside of the firmament. They are moved by Angels.

Other than these three layers there is nowhere else.
When Satan fell he literally fell. Like a stone, from the upper level, smashed through the middle Earth and came to rest in the under world.

Funny, 500 years ago all Christians knew these "facts." Today hardly anyone remembers them.

Magus55

Nope, we are speaking quite literally. You can't prove they weren't "created" so don't make dumb, illogical remarks from a position of fact since you have no clue.

Magus55

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Echo

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Originally posted by Magus55 Pride and Envy is what made Satan fall. Where did the Pride and Envy come from that made Satan fall?

When Satan decided he wanted to be worshipped because He was better than God, and wanted to be as powerful as God, those acts were going against the Virtues of Humility and Love. God created the virtues, and Satan rebelled against those virtues which are Pride and Envy. Sins are that which go against God's nature. God is Humility and Love, therefore rebelling against those traits equals Pride and Envy.

Magus55

What the heck are you talking about?

Magus55

What makes you think He thought it would turn out any better? God is omniscient so yes He knew humans would do the same thing, but He had to give them free will in order for love to be a choice. You can't force love, the choice to love or not has to exist which is why He created us with Free will, full well knowing many of us would reject it.
Experience Pride and Envy? Pride and Envy are sins. They go against God's nature. For God to accept sins would mean he wasn't Holy, which means he wasn't God. You use your brain QoS, this is not that complicated. Sin is a crime against God, therefore God can't allow it.


God told them what was bad and what death was. He said, Do not eat from the tree. Why do you need to have knowledge of the full extent of good and evil to understand what not to do? They don't have to know its evil to know they aren't supposed to do it.

God told them do not eat from the Tree. That doesn't require knowing that its bad, only that God said not to do it.

QoS, why do you repeatedly ask the same questions without putting any thought in to it? You don't give a crap about God anyway so why do you reply to these posts? You made your choice. You rejected God and you said even if he exists, you'd rather be in Hell. Stop asking the same questions over and over, ridiculing something you don't even believe in to the microscopic level. You don't believe the Bible is from God, so just give it up. There is no point in you asking trivial questions repeatedly when you have no desire to change whatsoever. Its a waste of time for you, and a waste of time for us to keep repeating ourselves. :banghead:

Demigawd

Oh, yeah, Maguss55, we non-believers should just give up picking apart your mythology so you can go about your merry way prosletizing without worrying about being critiqued. I mean, that is the central tenant of your faith: shut up and believe.

Have you completely forgotten the nature of the site you're currently posting on? If you're so frustrated with QoS dogging your claims, then you really ought to leave. But then again, you'd not make any commission on your divine version of Amway, would you?

Magus55

She isn't dogging my claims at all. Her questions are just blurted out without even trying to think about it at a deeper level. Reminds me just like SAB, the sites just blurts out anything that looks like a contradiction and claims they are right when they have no clue what they are talking about or how to interpret the Bible.

Why should I leave just because of QoS? I'm just gonna start ignoring her since all she wants to do is irritate Christians and absolutely doesn't care about what we say.