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Old 02-27-2002, 09:21 AM   #61
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this raises questions about egoisim and ethics.
the "I" or self is just a brain state. when that brain state changes then the "I" dies. This kinda defeats egoisim. If you would suffer to help your future brain states (future selves) than why not the brain states of others? what makes the brain state of your future self diffrent from the brain state of another? the only way you can justify doing anything is admiting an altruistic system of ethics.

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Exactly! Further, when you perceive the varying or ambivalent drives/desires within "one" self, a momentary "self" becomes like an entire nation of sub-selves. A "altruistic" system would be required just to make a "preferable" decision or to believe a decision is preferred by your "self". What is the basis of this "higher purpose", which the controlling sub-selves serve? Why do they serve some sub-selves and not others?

What do you choose that basis to be, once you become aware of this process?
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Old 02-27-2002, 09:23 AM   #62
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To hedonologist's post two above:

No, the improved version of me should die for the real me.

All you avatars out there agree?

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Old 02-27-2002, 09:38 AM   #63
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Theoretically in the ST universe, it would be possible to travel anywhere without a ship by just transporting your atoms and the information for their proper rearrangement along a beam through subspace.
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I myself don't see any problem with it. Don't see how 'I' would cease to exist in anyway.
How about if there were two of you transported to different places at the same time?

Why don't they do that in Star Trek? Why the hell are they worried if John Luke dies if they have all his info from his last transport and they could make a new one of him with just a few less memories?
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Old 02-27-2002, 09:47 AM   #64
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No, the improved version of me should die for the real me.

All you avatars out there agree?

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For who is it an improvement? That sounds like Christianity.
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Old 02-27-2002, 10:40 AM   #65
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For who is it an improvement? That sounds like Christianity.</strong>
An improvement for the real me. You seriously think I want to be nailed up? Go drink some hemlock......
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Old 02-27-2002, 07:42 PM   #67
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An improvement for the real me. You seriously think I want to be nailed up? Go drink some hemlock......
I wouldn't think you would want to be nailed up. Christianity is where the perfect one dies for our sake, but nevermind that it was a spacey idea.

How does the "real you" improve for himself instead of for the "improved you", when the "improved you" is who you become once you have improved?
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How does the "real you" improve for himself instead of for the "improved you", when the "improved you" is who you become once you have improved?</strong>
I guess my response was meant as an ironical observation on the egocentrism of man (Our house is the center of the universe. OK, no, our country is the center of the universe. OK, well, the sun goes round the earth, right?)

I'm not sure how to respond. How about "You should see the other guy!"?

I love the "Hedonologist2" stuff, cracked me up. You're not the same as the other one, though, only 2 listings.
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Old 02-28-2002, 05:19 AM   #69
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Can anybody name the philosophical issue here?

I mean, is there any?

I mean, really.

Which one?
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Old 02-28-2002, 06:40 AM   #70
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<strong>Can anybody name the philosophical issue here?

I mean, is there any?

I mean, really.

Which one?</strong>
Issue: Does the egocentricity of man deny him access to concepts that are valid in reality? Playing with the copy theory example of this thread enables us to explore our limits.

Do you believe there is such a thing as a perfect copy?
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